Breaking News: Richard Seymour traded to Oakland

[msubulldogs21]

IAll they would have got was some compensation picks. Which are like what 3 round or higher?

 

If we had just let him go at the end of the season, the Pats would've gotten a compensatory 3rd rounder.

[msubulldogs21]

The pats this off-season have now lost their best D-Lineman (arguably) in Seymore' date=' their most experienced LB's in Vrabel and Bruschi (although Bruschi should be good on ESPN), and their most experienced safety in Harrison. While they are def more athletic now, it's hard to see them better. The pats needed to get younger, but this is a lot at once. They are faster and more athletic now, but time will tell if they have the guys that can do all the little things the vets did that made them successful.[/quote']

 

One constant with Vrabel, Bruschi, and Harrison is that they were all old and shall we say, not fast? I mean, those 3 guys all did a ton to contribute over the years but it was time to move on and get younger in the process. I could definitely see the D being better than last year. Time will tell.

[TheKilo]

I know it is risky. But I believe the Pats have a player or combo of players that will be able to give them the same production the RS could have given the this season or close to it[/b

 

Who? Jarvis Green? Ron Brace?

 

 

There's probably no way the sign him at the end of the year anyways. All the would have got was some compensation picks. Which are like what 3 round or higher?

 

You could make the case that one year of Seymour and the 3rd round pick might be worth more than the 1st rounder two seasons from now, especially if your team's window might be closed in two seasons.

 

I think Wilfork is the more important of the two. Now they should be able to re-sign him. If they don't, I would really question the move more.

 

Why is Wilfork more important?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I don't disagree, but you have to consider if trading him this year while hurting their SB chances is worth it.

 

Pretty much everyone I've listened to says that even though the Pats got the 1st, they are worse than they were Saturday night.

 

That alone is enough to question the move, IMO.

 

The Patriots have enough respectable depth behind him to where this shouldn't hurt too much. You could do a lot worse than a Burgess/Green tandem.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

If we had just let him go at the end of the season' date=' the Pats would've gotten a compensatory 3rd rounder.[/quote']

We? Traitor.

[msubulldogs21]

We? Traitor.

 

I've always been a big Bucs guy (and still am), but New England comes first.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I've always been a big Bucs guy (and still am)' date=' but New England comes first.[/quote']

*e-kicks you in the nuts*

[msubulldogs21]

*e-kicks you in the nuts*

 

 

Cheap shot!

[rhet]

I don't disagree, but you have to consider if trading him this year while hurting their SB chances is worth it.

 

Pretty much everyone I've listened to says that even though the Pats got the 1st, they are worse than they were Saturday night.

 

That alone is enough to question the move, IMO.

 

Don't know who they were watching the past two seasons. Certainly not anyone close to a pro bowler.

 

Fact is, players get old, slower, and some lazier. And reputation doesn't win football games.

[TheKilo]

Don't know who they were watching the past two seasons. Certainly not anyone close to a pro bowler.

 

Fact is, players get old, slower, and some lazier. And reputation doesn't win football games.

 

So you think the Pats are a better team than they were 48 hrs ago?

 

Drink that Kool-Aid

[rhet]

So you think the Pats are a better team than they were 48 hrs ago?

 

Drink that Kool-Aid

 

I don't think they're any worse. They've won without him.

In 2007, the Pats were 8-0 without him.

[schillingouttheks]

So you think the Pats are a better team than they were 48 hrs ago?

 

Drink that Kool-Aid

 

Honestly? I don't believe that the magnitude of Seymour's loss is greater than what they gained.

 

Certainly you can't replace what Seymour gave them immediately, but they are still a playoff team that can absolutely win the Super Bowl. That alone is why I'm happy with this move. Maintaining contender status while picking up a potential top 10 pick in potentially the first year of the rookie payscale system is absolutely okay in my book. The Pats have been successful in the past without Seymour and have enough guys who can play DE like Adalius Thomas or Derrick Burgess that aren't at the position currently. Both of them could give very close to Seymour production - you don't even have to look at Jarvis Green or Ron Brace as an immediate fill-in. I'd rather shift Thomas to DE and give Banta-Cain more time.

 

Either way, the Pats were going to be giving up some points this year. They have enough of an offense to pick up the defense.

 

This is a good move whether or not it ever so slightly hurts their SB chances. They have absolutely succeeded without Seymour in the past; and now that he's a bit older and a bit slower, they can do it again.

[BoSox21]

How anyone wouldn't take a likely top 5 draft pick in 2011 over one more year of Richard Seymour is beyond me. Trust me, the Pats defense will be fine without him. It's all about the scheme

[mtbykr]

Who? Jarvis Green? Ron Brace?

 

 

 

 

You could make the case that one year of Seymour and the 3rd round pick might be worth more than the 1st rounder two seasons from now, especially if your team's window might be closed in two seasons.

 

 

I don't think so personally, the 1st in 2011 is a high return......under BB the pats have a great track record with high 1st rounders. Right now we are not as good a team without Seymore, however BB always says you don't know who your team really is until after week 5....let's hope at that point we feel good about this deal.

 

 

 

 

Why is Wilfork more important?

 

Because true nose tackles for the 3-4 are rare, and harder to come by with more teams going to a 3-4. While the pats are gearing more towards a 4-3 this year, BB is a 3-4 guy and will try and move in that direction when he can get the proper LB's.

[ORS]

Yeah, but by then, Wilfork may be beyond his usefulness as true NT. Therefore, given the current roster and scheme, the question still stands.

[TheKilo]

Yeah' date=' but by then, Wilfork may be beyond his usefulness as true NT. Therefore, given the current roster and scheme, the question still stands.[/quote']

 

Yep.

 

Everyone talks like Seymour is some dinosaur and Wilfork is super young, but there's only two year's difference between the two and you never know when Wilfork's health could become an issue. It hasn't yet but is it a realistic expectation for a NT?

[BSN07]

Who? Jarvis Green? Ron Brace?

 

 

 

 

You could make the case that one year of Seymour and the 3rd round pick might be worth more than the 1st rounder two seasons from now, especially if your team's window might be closed in two seasons.

 

 

 

Why is Wilfork more important?

 

Like it was said. You can do worse the Green and Brace. It's not like the Pats have been known for their pass rush.

 

Well we won't really know until we see what happens with that pick. I would also argue that this type of move is for the purpose of extending that "window". So as to stay contenders for years to come, not just the next 2. Most teams have the " 2-3" windows to win before a turnover happens. This is not the case for the Pats. They have been competitive for the better part of the decade, and it's because of moves like this one.

 

Wilfork>Seymour... More of just a personal opinion type deal Kilo.

[ORS]

Yep.

 

Everyone talks like Seymour is some dinosaur and Wilfork is super young, but there's only two year's difference between the two and you never know when Wilfork's health could become an issue. It hasn't yet but is it a realistic expectation for a NT?

While I agree with you that I don't see how Wilfork is more important in the current scheme, I do think the Raiders are paying quite a price for past performance. I think Seymour is beyond the "game changing, impact player" phase of his career. Therefore, it's not that I think they won't be able to replace his production so much as it's that I think the notion that it allows them to pony up to keep the "more important" Wilfork is foolishness. It's a bad justification for the trade, and I'd be surprised if a team so comfortable letting players go once they've passed their usefulness phase changes their MO and goes the other way for Wilfork.

 

I think the merit of the trade, cashing in on past performance and getting what looks like an early 1st round draft pick, stands on its own and doesn't need any reading of the tea leaves for additional justification. I'm just pissed my team's owner is always on the other end of these types of deals.

[mtbykr]

Interesting note:

 

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Diner-morning-news-Random-thoughts-2603.html

 

 

I’m told reliably that Richard Seymour isn’t looking for a long-term contract from the Raiders, that in fact his absence centers solely on his unhappiness with the trade. The comments from coach Tom Cable are really irrelevant since the trade papers have been signed and approved by the league office. He counts on the Raiders’ 53-man roster, so how does Seymour need to clear things up with the Patriots? All that remains is for Seymour to show up and pass his physical. There’s nothing left for the Patriots to do regarding Seymour because he’s now the property of the Raiders, so many NFL observers were left shaking their heads after hearing Cable’s comments.

 

 

Weird that it's a done deal even though he hasn't taken a physical, I guess that was part of the deal.

[msubulldogs21]

I'm just pissed my team's owner is always on the other end of these types of deals.

 

You're a Raiders fan ORS?

[See Red]

You're a Raiders fan ORS?

 

He's a Redskins fan.

[msubulldogs21]

He's a Redskins fan.

 

Crap. I remember that now that you mention it.

[RWTP24]

So, has he bothered to show up to the Raiders? lol I really do not blame him. Would you want be traded from possible the best team in the NFL to the worst?

[mtbykr]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2009/09/seymour_headed.html

 

 

Richard Seymour's agent, Eugene Parker, confirmed via email to the Globe that Seymour is headed to Oakland today to the report to the Raiders.

 

Unless Seymour fails his physical with the Raiders, his reporting would consummate the trade the Patriots made last Sunday, sending Seymour to the Raiders for a 2011 first-round pick.

 

 

 

"When you get blindsided, you should take a moment to gather your thoughts. I have a lot of personal issues more pressing than football," Seymour told Ron Borges.

[mtbykr]

Seymore shows up in Oakland:

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2009/09/richard_seymour_5.html

 

 

“As I’ve said before, it was a lot of issues that I had to resolve, as far as my family is concerned, because from the way that I look at it, it’s my faith, my family and then football, and I try to handle things in that order," said Seymour.

 

"And football had to be on hold for a while, but I assured everyone that I wanted to play for the Raiders, and I just needed a minute to breathe, I needed to focus in on how would I make this work, how would I make this transition, when is it going to happen? I mean, just so many issues that I had to work out."

[mtbykr]

Al giving the play by play:

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2009/09/according_to_al.html

 

 

"Ever since they were talking to me about [Derrick] Burgess, I've been talking to them about a defensive lineman but I never dreamt, and both Tom Cable and I knew the one we wanted -- you shouldn't tell them this, it's the guy wearing No. 92. They were offering me some other things, and it was at the end that I had an idea what happened.

 

"One day [Patriots coach Bill Belichick] said to me about two days before we made the trade, 'Would you be interested in Seymour?' I didn't put the phone down or anything, I said 'Yeah I'd be interested in Seymour.' I said 'What do you want'? and he told me what he wanted for him. And I said I would do that.

 

"Bill said to me he has to check with [Patriots owner Robert] Kraft. I laughed because I thought all coaches had complete ability to do what they wanted. It's only this place where they have to go to the owner if they want to do something. So, he said he had to go to Kraft and he came back to me. They changed the deal a little bit, and then they gave me the opportunity to make my choice on draft choices.

 

"As you well know in 2010 we have a first, second, two thirds, a fourth and two fifths. We have a lot of choices. I said I'll go with the 1 in 2011. I'll stick with that. That's what you can have. I just wanted to get it done."

[RWTP24]

LOL, I really loved his interview... Was that BS or what?? We all know he is pissed.

[msubulldogs21]

Al giving the play by play:

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2009/09/according_to_al.html

 

That is fantastic.

 

I'm not sure Al Davis should still be allowed to make trades for the good of the NFL, but hey, I'm not complaining.

[mtbykr]

I loved how he still brought up the tuck rule...at least he's not bitter

[bsox0407]

LOL' date=' I really loved his interview... Was that BS or what?? We all know he is pissed.[/quote']

 

i would be to he just got stabbed in the heart. and let it in NE