Carpin

Astros lost 1st and 2nd draft picks for 2020 and 2021, if the commissioner follows the same reasoning, you'll lose some picks too

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/01/astros-jeff-luhnow-aj-hinch-suspended-draft-picks-sign-stealing-mlb.html It looks like Cora will be suspended too

i know it didn't happened, but it should have

He is nothing more than an extra player in any trade, not a first or secondary piece in a trade for anything of value.

would you vote for Manny Ramirez in the first ballot?

100% of the votes is only for a handful of players, Rivera is one of them, Jeter is not. Also Griffey, Maddux, Ryan and some others should have been 100% By the way, Jeter was an average defender, if you take his career as the complete sample, you're trying to take his last few years as his career norm.

If I remember right, you were the one saying that a player is a HOF or not, and it doesn't matter if it's the first or the last ballot

I don't consider Ortiz a defender, but he had negative defensive value thru his career and based on his argument he shouldn't be in HOF

no, but based on moon's argument bad defenders don't deserve to be in the HOF for the record, I'd vote for Ortiz to the HOF

and won't vote for David Ortiz when the time comes

I'm assuming you are voting for Arod in a couple years

Gio Urshella $2.475MM

Aaron Judge $8.5MM Gary Sanchez $5MM Luis Cessa $895K Jonathan Holder $750K Tommy Kahnle $2.65MM James Paxton $12.5MM

Based on your expectations, if DJ doesn't belong, we should remove most of the ones already in the HOF

we'll see lol!

Betts getting 27 Millions for 2020

BTW, if you don't like DJ because of his defense, why do you like Manny Ramirez with his -21.7 dWAR???? double standard perhaps?

You're delusional if you think DJ doesn't belong in the HOF Even if you don't like his fielding his bat should carry him to the HOF, he's top 10 in total hits, bWAR of 72.4, .310 avg, etc. He was selfish? yes. He put himself above the team? yes (specially in the last years) But even is you don't like him he's a HOF

I'm surprised to see Beckett with 0% too, I know he doesn't have the career for the HOF but not a single vote is surprising

Specially Vizquel, if Ozzie Smith is in, Vizquel should get more votes, prime examples of glove first SS

Also surprised to see Manny Ramirez that low, if Bonds and Clemens are getting a pass from most of the voters, then Manny should have more votes.

If the trend continues this will be the year when the first known PED users might get in the HOF: Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens (if he closes the gap to 75%)

Just to add something different to discuss, getting a little tired of this very slow beginning of the year I found this very interesting page were they track all the ballots made public by the voters http://www.bbhoftracker.com/2019/11/2020-bbhof-tracker-summary-and-leaderboard/ As of today (35% of the ballots): The following players will get in (at least 75%): Derek Jeter 100.0% Larry Walker 85.0% Curt Schilling 80.3% Barry Bonds 76.2% Roger Clemens 74.8% (only one vote away) The following players won't get the votes required: Scott Rolen 49.7% Omar Vizquel 46.3% Gary Sheffield 38.8% Manny Ramirez 36.1% Todd Helton 35.4% Billy Wagner 33.3% Jeff Kent 28.6% Andruw Jones 26.5% Sammy Sosa 18.4% Andy Pettitte 12.2% Bobby Abreu 6.8% Finally the players which won't get the minimum votes (5%) to stay on the ballot: Cliff Lee 0.7% Paul Konerko 0.7% Jason Giambi 0.7% Eric Chávez 0.0% Rafael Furcal 0.0% Alfonso Soriano 0.0% Josh Beckett 0.0% Heath Bell 0.0% Adam Dunn 0.0% Chone Figgins 0.0% Raúl Ibañez 0.0% Carlos Peña 0.0% Brad Penny 0.0% JJ Putz 0.0% Brian Roberts 0.0% José Valverde 0.0%

I agree, this will be like PEDs again, we thought there were only a handful at the end it looks like most of the league was doing that

I guess that takes out the future Nike swoosh