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The Fielding Bible does only award one award per position, but they do provide their scoring tally, which is very telling. HanRam got 2 points at 1B (13th). Pedey scored 114 points- 10 ahead of Kinsler. Shaw scored 22 points at 3B (9th). Bogey got absolutely zero votes at SS. (17 did.) He came in 11th last year. Brock Holt, yes Brock Holt, got 2 points in LF (16th) JBJ got 82 points in CF (4th) Betts got 116 in RF. Nobody had him below 2nd. Leon got 3 points (21st)

Yeah, it has gotten better. I guess I'll never get over the Palmeiro fiasco. I'm a big fan of The Fielder's Bible too.

In my opinion, we need 2 eight inning guys, and when Smith returns, we'll be deeper.

Still not really an answer.

I'd kinda like to get Hernandez some reps at 3B, but Moncada needs all the time he can get there.

My guess is the bidding will be less on Beltran than the longer term guys, so I think he should be our plan A and plan B- after we secure a RP'er or two, that is.

RP #1 need. Beltran high on list. Good read: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/11/red-sox-offseason-rumors-interest-carlos-beltran-encarnacion-morales-holliday-bullpen-fernando-abad-tender.html

I'm afraid the asking price will be way too high. I'm willing to overpay for greatness at the TOR, but there's a limit. I would not give JBJ, ERod & Swihart, but I might give that for Quintana and Robertson, or maybe just JBJ, Pom & Swi for Sale.

soxprospects.com has this projected for our AAA infield next year: C: Swihart 1B: Travis 2B: Hernandez 3B: Moncada SS: Dubon They have Devers and Kopech starting off in AA.

Agreed. I'm not for massive unbalanced trades, but when an ace is involved, I have to stop and consider it. I know Guerra has lost value, but I wonder if a JBJ, Margot, Espinoza & Allen trade would get us Sale or Quintana, or would JBJ, Devers, Owens and Espi get the job done? (Then, sign Beltran & Hill)

So, maybe the CWS are going to go into sell mode. This from MLBTR: What does seem clear is that the White Sox will not continue to pursue shorter-term, expensive veterans to build around their core. “We have taken the approach for a number of years that we were focused on a short-term success,” Hahn said, specifying that the team was no longer interested in continuing that course because it “realize a better position for the long-term is a more prudent path.” Hahn didn’t prime fans for a massive rebuilding effort, though. He suggested that the club still has hopes of winning next year, but that the offseason “targets will have a little bit longer fits in nature.” But there does still appear to be a real possibility of some deals involving the team’s veterans. Hahn explained: “Should we go to the position of selling off assets, looking toward a more long-term future, the market will dictate how deep of a cut that is. That would also be based on the return for some of our players. The market plays a huge role. … The other part is how your players are valued by the industry. We would not be just trading a younger piece for a younger piece. We would want to diversify the use of players, depending on the depth and strength of the roster. You may look at five or six spots to improve on.”

Yes, but the award is a sham.

Apples to Oranges. By the time Salty was 24, he had over 800 PAs and placed last in catcher WAR out of all catchers with 800+ PAs from 2007-2009. Number 33 out of 33 who qualified. His OPS at the time was .703 and he had a wRC+ of 81. Swihart has less than 400 PAs in MLB- spread over 2 seasons. Even with his tiny sample size compared to most catchers with over 350 PAss ince 2015, Swihart still placed 23rd out of 47 in WAR +1.9 (just ahead of David Ross) and has a wRC+ of 92 (T20th out of 47). Do you really think Swihart has the same trade value as Salty had at age 24-25?

I guess, if we lose out on plan A & B, he might be an option, but I think he stays with CLE.

I've never thought EE was a good idea due to the years and blockage of our prospects as soon as 2018.

If we were to sign these three guys to what MLBTR projects, we'd just be a little over the luxury tax: $17M x 3 Hill $14M x 1 Beltran $8M x 2 Ziegler I think we still might have to trade for another RP'er, but I'd be happy with these three.

EE may be posturing for the best 4 year deal he can get by asking for 5.

Me too!

Salty had issues with "CERA" related numbers and was not very good at throwing runners out.

Morales might take one year at a higher rate, in hopes that he has a better year and hits paydirt next winter. I wouldn't blame him for looking to security and going long.

Even when their in decline.

We're really locked up solid and long. HanRam does have a vesting option after 2018 based on 1050 PAs from 2017 & 2018 combined and passing a physical.

Good read from soxprospects.com... http://news.soxprospects.com/2016/11/fallwinter-league-roundup-kopech.html podcast.... http://news.soxprospects.com/2016/11/podcast-ep-108-2016-rankings-special.html

Like Beltran, KM is a switch hitter with pretty even splits, although Beltran is more even and consistent from both sides. I'd try to get CB for 1 year, but if we have to go 2, I might prefer KM due to the age thing.

You didn't answer my question. Do you really think Swihart has close to the same trade value Salty had when we traded for him?