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Kind thoughts from the Arsenal Chairman ......(Abridged). http://www.clickliverpool.com/sport/liverpool-fc/1211113-arsenal-chief-appalled-by-liverpool-fc-tragedy.html Arsenal chairman Peter Hill-Wood has said: "What's happened at Liverpool is a football tragedy. They were always a model for how a club should be run. "Now they have got themselves in a terrible muddle. I really hope it gets sorted out because I have so much respect for Liverpool."

Many other fans have a dig, but deep down they know that we have the history and we have the passion - something that they'll never have............... YNWA

http://keetsa.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/prince-charles.jpg Sorry Charles, the real cups are in the trophy cabinet.

Forget Hockey, unless you want to head the ball. Here's Caroline Wozniacki, World Tennis No 1 - also LFC fan .............. http://www.empireofthekop.com/anfield/?p=23029

I wouldn't get too concerned. Nigel Boardman is batting for us next week and Broughton indicated that in 2007 G&H stated that there would be no debt on the club, which will be one of the submissions against G&H. That being the case it would not be unusual if Parry was contacted; as he may well be called as a witness, in which case all parties may well be interested as to what he has to say. The media may well have skewed the reason for contacting him. Of course - I may be completely wrong and they want Cocoa for the intervals.

Hello Flred, just to comment briefly on your last post first. Imo RH will not last long simply because he hasn't shown that natural 'charisma' and connection required. I don't doubt that he's a really nice lad but imo he doesn't have that natural 'presence' or commands enough expression required at the top level - finger definately not on the pulse. I'm a great fan of Rafa but I was taken aback when he stripped Steve Heighway of his role in coaching the youth team. Big mistake. Before moving on to Everton I think that I should explain (for the Red Sox lads benefit) that traditionally when you cut through the rivalry we are like two arguing brothers, in fact most families are split between blue & red in Liverpool, my Mrs is in fact a blue and yet the rest in the extended family is all red - Liverpool, Germany , USA & Australia. To the credit of Everton they have imo reached out more so into the local community and have built a highly successful youth team, plus connections in the broader sense. My youngest daughter knows Jack Rodwell quite well and he's a credit to Everton. Alex Fergusson's success can be attributed in part that prior to his arrival, Man Utd sowed the seeds of the youth team which he inherited. Had that not been the case then it's more than likely he would have continued to struggle and shown the door earlier - success is not too difficult when there is easy cash flow and there are talented players coming through in the youth team / academy system. Under the reign of G&H at LFC it's been quite difficult to to gauge why decisions were made; owing to the smokescreen of their in house fighting and contradictions. What is fairly clear though is that LFC should (not could) have developed a far better youth team. That's just part of the iceberg.

Court set for Tuesday next week.

Thanks for that Virgil.

I would pretty much say that you are bang on there. Gerrard is still arguably one of the best midfield players in the world, but over the last two seasons he doesn't seem as sharp. He's still a major driving force though and has grabbed the game by the cruff many times as Captain of Liverpool & England. Best players imo - Torres, Reina, Gerrard, Agger and I would have said Aurelio (when fit).

No. The High Court will sort it quick and any appeal will be sorted within 72 hours max. After Friday next week then John Henry has the option through default of purchasing the debt outright from RBS if he so wishes. The only way G&H can stop it is if they come up with 280m Pounds by Friday at the latest. If G&H can't come up with the readies then it's a reasonable certainty that the court will rule against them under the terms of the written agreement with G&H, RBS, Broughton, LFC & Kop Holdings. I think that RBS & Broughton knew what these two may well get up to and have drawn up a cast iron contract. Mind you, we can never predict fully how it will pan out on the day. I still think that they are well stuffed.

Hi Ors. I could understand Metrics in the sense that it may sway a decision in terms of buying players and rotation. Usually only three substitutes are allowed in EPL games. But Metrics may develop in other areas of the game in terms of positional play. Thanks for that. The Duck was an Irish actor btw - but I suppose you knew that. He also did a fairly bad Australian accent in the film 'The Guns of Navarone,' 1961.

Me too mate.

Slasher, you amaze me at times. Read it again! Lol. :harhar:

Right, now if you compare the Man Utd article with what Broughton was saying, then regardless of when the Glazers have to refinance they may well contravene the new regulations at the end of 2012. If that is the case then Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea might well be up the proverbial without a paddle. Re the 9 points - this article deals with 'insolvency', so I wouldn't really worry too much .....

That's quite true Dojji - analysis has it's place but it has it's place but is no substitute for basic instinct and experience. Still, I expect that we'll be hearing a lot more about Metrics over here. Flred - this is a moot point. The loan is against the holding company and not LFC. Plus these articles are veiled in terms of 'could.' From what I've read the financial 'experts' point to the club being safe in this respect and even so under the terms of how Liverpool operate the FA would not be in agreement. Away from a possible 9 points -if you read this article it may brighten up your day ......... http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/08/martin-broughton-liverpool-takeover-bid Cheers RG

Excellent stuff and thanks to Dojji, Virgil Stallcup & LfcKev71. It does look quite technical and the possibilities of number crunching are endless. I can see why John Henry et al. are really into this. They appear to have already adapted it's application, (possibly even weeks ago) to suit LFC. Buying football players (soccer to you lads) I imagine is quite similar to buying baseball players. At Liverpool there have been some absolute stars who came from obscurity and yet fitted into a well-oiled machine; notibly under Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley, both of whom were from humble backgrounds. Bob Paisley notibly won amongst other titles 3 European Cups - a fete still unsurpassed in British Football. Todays managers seem to have different ideas and emphasis on psychology, diet, fitness, tactics etc. I can see that Metrics will play a major part in player aquisition and that under John Henry the most obvious star may well not be the ideal candidate when it comes to the transfer window. What I'll do now is take some time to absorb the info, that you all kindly took the time & effort to give me, and endeavour to unravel the basics without blowing a few valves. Lol. Cheers lads.

I've a question to the Red Sox lads out there. Doing some preliminary research I've come across the term 'metrics' and it's application to baseball and possibly football. In my field of work I've sometimes worked closely with some athletes and footballers. Could someone please give me a general overview of 'metrics' and application please? Thanks.

Absolutely. Have a look at this, St Georges Hall / Library, Liverpool. Estimated 750,000 in the city and on the route for homecoming. I was there.

Hi, Maria. I actually met Shanks and talked to him on just a few occasions. Firstly when I was about 11 then later when I was in my 20's. I met Billy Liddel and got tickets from him -in the 70's. Those were indeed fantastic days.

KK was a Liverpool great. I remember when Shanks bought him.................. KEVIN KEEGAN was sat on a bin the first time he met Bill Shankly. It was May 1971 and the 20-year-old Yorkshireman had been waiting patiently at Anfield to discuss his impending switch from S****horpe to Liverpool. It’s an encounter firmly etched in Keegan’s memory bank because life would never be the same again. “They were doing up the main stand at Anfield so they were using these temporary offices,” Keegan said. “The only place to sit was on a dustbin outside so I sat there talking to my manager at the time, Ron Ashman, while Bill was inside. “After a while Bill came out, shook my hand and beckoned me over to his Capri to take me for my medical down near the docks. “From the moment I met Bill I just gelled with him. I was from mining stock and so was he. I think he saw something in me that reminded him of himself. “He wanted to help me and he did, massively. Apart from my parents, Bill was the most important person in my life. “He brought me to the club, he believed in me and he inspired me. That first meeting with him changed my life forever.” Keegan cost ?35,000 and it proved to be one of the shrewdest pieces of business in English football history. Signed as a midfielder, Shankly soon spotted Keegan’s striking talents and made him believe he belonged at the highest level. “I had only been at the club a couple of weeks when Bill said to me ‘you will play for England son’,” Keegan recalled. “I was a 20-year-old kid who hadn’t even played for Liverpool’s first team. I thought ‘wow’ if he thinks I can they maybe I can. “Bill was a giver. He wanted to make people better. “He always came in full of life and what I loved about him was that he was always honest. You always knew where you stood with him. ------------------------------------------------- Not only was KK Liverpool Captain but he went on to be England Captain. In fact the back five of England was often Liverpool with KK up front with other Liverpool players.

http://thensaturdaycomes.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/alex-ferguson-darth-vader.jpg I hope that you're not him in disguise. Lol.

He'll have to communicate better than that. Btw eeeeeehhhh is perfectly understood, isn't it eh?

Hey Slasher, apparently Daggers has done an interview.

Interesting read ................... For soccer fans, it’s a match http://www.boston.com/sports/soccer/articles/2010/10/07/for_soccer_fans_its_a_match/ Miranda McGill grew up in Liverpool, and besides leaving her family, the hardest thing about moving to Boston 11 years ago was leaving behind the only team that mattered: Liverpool Football Club. Like a lot of people from Merseyside, McGill lived for the soccer played by Liverpool FC. But she settled in at MIT to study architecture, and while she continued to watch Liverpool matches on satellite TV in the pubs of Boston and Cambridge, she found herself inexorably attracted to a different team and a different sport. She became an inveterate Boston Red Sox fan. “The passion of the fans, the atmosphere at Fenway Park, reminded me so much of Anfield,’’ she said, referring to Liverpool FC’s storied stadium. But there was an inverse relationship between her lifelong love and her adopted love: As the Red Sox broke an 86-year drought to win the World Series twice in four seasons, and in the process became one of the most profitable franchises in baseball, Liverpool, one of the most successful soccer teams in the world, fell on hard times. So when she woke up yesterday and learned that the owners of the Red Sox were about to buy Liverpool FC, Miranda McGill looked skyward and thanked her lucky stars. “It makes sense,’’ she said. “It just makes sense.’’ Red Sox fans and Liverpool supporters are kindred spirits. Red Sox fans hate the Yankees, the most famous and richest baseball team in the world. Liverpool fans hate Manchester United, the most famous and richest soccer team in the world. The rivalries, and the emotions they produce, are remarkably similar. Bostonians and Liverpudlians are kindred spirits, too. The single most significant event in shaping immigration to both cities in the 19th century was Ireland’s potato blight. In both cities, all sorts of people are Irish by osmosis. Bostonians and Liverpudlians have healthy inferiority complexes — we look south to New York, they look east to Manchester — and share the common, unshakable belief that no actors can do our accents justice in movies. The Yankees and Manchester United entered a joint marketing deal nine years ago. Principal Red Sox owner John Henry is no dummy. He and his people know that Liverpool is one of the most internationally recognized soccer brands in the world. This is as much about selling hats and jerseys as it is about putting people in seats at Anfield. It might also be about TV. It was only last year that ESPN began showing Premier League soccer games live from England. There’s gold, and licensing deals, in them thar hills. Speaking of Anfield, it is the Fenway Park of English football. Its 45,000-seat capacity is the smallest among the big clubs. And while the previous owners had vowed to build a much bigger stadium, many Liverpool fans are hopelessly devoted to the relative intimacy and tradition of the old one and would rather see it renovated and expanded than knocked down. “I’m an architect, and I can tell you that regenerating Anfield is a far better solution,’’ McGill said. “We’ve seen what Henry did at Fenway Park, and I think there’s similar potential to expand and improve Anfield while keeping its character intact.’’ Liverpool fans can be forgiven for being wary about exchanging one group of American owners for another. In just three years, current owners Tom Hicks, who used to own the Texas Rangers, and George Gillett, who used to own the Montreal Canadiens, have run the team into the ground, burying it in debt. Liverpool has suffered through its worst start in a half-century, losing to lowly clubs, most recently Blackpool and Northampton — the latter loss being akin to the Red Sox losing to the Bad News Bears. Tim Treacy, chairman of the Liverpool FC Supporters Club of Boston, who gather at the Phoenix Landing pub in Cambridge’s Central Square to watch games in rowdy, rapt attention, said the only reservation he and many other Liverpool fans have is financing. “It can’t be another situation of borrowing a lot of money and running up a lot of debt,’’ said Treacy, a native of Ireland who moved here four years ago to get his doctorate in music therapy at Boston University. “But I’m encouraged, because I’ve seen what they’ve been able to do with the Red Sox. Henry knows how to make money, and he’s not afraid to spend it on players.’’ Treacy also likes the Red Sox’ philosophy of mixing highly paid superstars acquired by free agency with more modestly paid, home-grown talent raised in the farm system. The wealthiest owners of teams in England’s Premier League have gone the route of the former at the expense of the latter, creating huge payrolls but not necessarily good teams. When McGill married her American husband six years ago, she walked down the aisle of Cambridge Christ Church to the strains of “You’ll Never Walk Alone,’’ Liverpool’s anthem, which is shouted from the terraces of Anfield with a passion considerably more intense than “Sweet Caroline’’ at Fenway. “As my mum says, if I can’t be in Liverpool, the next-best place is Boston,’’ she said. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Having had time to digest some articles and listen to sports news, I'm very upbeat that not only will LFC arise like a Pheonix from the ashes, but that there will be a very firm bond with the Red Sox. It appears that Henry and the rest of the lads knowhow to turn around our club and understand our passion. YNWA.