HeadOfSoxNation

My argument is NOT that Pedro's time in Boston wasn't better than Clemens' time here. I agree with you whole heartedly in that sense. I'm talking about overall, careers as a whole, Clemens is the better pitcher. Pedro was in Boston at the peak of his prime and destroyed lineups and put together some of the most dominant years I've ever seen. He was unfairly good. Clemens prime wasn't in Boston (unless you ask Dan Duquette) He put together years in Toronto and even Houston that are just ridiculous. Pedro's time in Boston > Clemens' time in Boston Overall pitcher? Pedro

Clemens...more wins, more ks, more cy youngs, one more WS ring, an MVP, more All-Stars. I'm not claiming that matching them up in their prime wouldn't put Pedro ahead of Clemens...it would. All I'm saying is that Clemens is, notably, a BETTER pitcher. Clemens has been better for longer. Pedro's body is already broken down and he's 9 years Clemens' junior. Is there not something to be said for longevity?

I totally agree with you. If Nixon were to be struggling like this, he'd be Trot, a guy who's always been a solid contributor for us and always given everything he had, that has fallen into a big slump. Drew has never done ANYTHING for us when it mattered. It's easier to look back at the good when there IS some good to look back at. We don't have that with J.D. I don't care about his ONE monster season in Atlanta. I don't care about the solid years in LA. (Though SBF might) He played well for like the first 15 or 20 games of the season, and since, has been a liability. Until he puts something together when it counts, he's deserving of what he's receiving.

Putting Favre into the same category as those guys is criminal. Favre is a selfish player and puts himself ahead of the team. His reputation is even being more tarnished as he still stays in the league and throws up passes into quadruple coverage. Hasn't he lead the league in picks the past 2 years?

Smoltz has a no-no through 7...

Holy s*** your mom really breathalizes you at home? That's unreal. Well...ok...I can understand the excitement. Just be careful and don't go toooooooooo crazy...the one's whose parents keep the tightest hold on them in high school always seem to be the ones that just go balls to the walls as soon as they hit college. Be safe and have a good time.

Spoken like a true "Oh my God dude I got sooooooooooo wasted last night" college freshman. AKA...the kind of freshman that you want to turn around and slap in the face. You're on a college campus, bro...everyone drinks...you don't deserve a trophy

We were playing the White Sox...

Are you in any way related to Bam Bam Bigelow? Anyways...welcome to TalkSox

Is it possible for us to go one SINGLE freaking Sox/Yanks game without them focusing on a couple with one wearing a Sox jersey and one donning NYY gear and having someone making the obligatory "there's a relationship that's doomed to fail" comment? I swear to God...get more creative people. This is getting ridiculous. And it's not just that douchebag Michael Kay although I wish it was...Remy and Orsillo do it, too. You're PROFESSIONAL TALKERS...find something better to say.

SOTK...it's been absent for a while...but I'm really jonesing for a win tonight so I'm busting it out. Get ready to score like gangbusters boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii...

The Yankees are still capable of being the absolute best team in baseball. Their Top 3+Lineup > Our Top 3+Lineup... Due to that simple fact, you can never EVER count the Yankees out until they're mathematically eliminated.

I heard Eddie Griffin died and thought it was the dude of Malcolm and Eddie and Deuce Bigalow "fame". Alas...very sad nonetheless.

We really need to wait until the actual plea occurs...it depends on what he pleads guilty to. Normally, plea deals involve other charges being dropped. It helps the State because they don't have to finance a trial, and it helps the pleader (?) by allowing him to take a lesser penalty. I would be shocked beyond all human comprehension of Vick gets any more than two years. If he was legitimately facing up to 40 years, what would be his motivation to plea? There would be absolutely none. He's going to plead guilty to a few charges, a shitload of charges are going to be dropped and/or never charged, and he'll serve between ten months and two years. It's sad...but that's the way it'll go down. At least, I think. Obviously I could be wrong. I sure hope I am. Lock him up for 60 years for all I care. You're right...Vick isn't a conventional QB. He has skills and talents that are unmatched by ANYONE that's ever played the game. (I know his stats...and I know he's not the "best" quarterback in football or anything...I'm just talking about his pure skill-set...there's no one else that's ever stepped on the field that can run a sub 4.4 40 and has one of the 3 or 4 strongest arms in the NFL.) Teams will take a flier on him, I really think that they will. Assuming Vick comes back when he's 30 or 31...that'll still give you 5 or 6 years of a legit QB. His career isn't over...I really don't think it is. You know, it's funny...whenever I'd hear about Marcus Vick being your stereotypical hoodlum, I always wondered how one brother could be SO entirely screwed up and one on the straight and narrow (with or without herpes haha)...well, turns out Mike wasn't all this time. Makes a lot more sense.

My team has decided just to fall off the face of the earth. I was in the top 3 or so all year and then all of a sudden, they plummet and now I'm out of playoffs.

Do you think a football-starved city will choose sound morals and values over a dynamic Pro-Bowl quarterback? I sure don't. This just in...being a good person is not something the NFL values all that much. It's a good thing, because if so Chad Johnson and Carson Palmer would be the only members of the Bengals and the Vikings would have to look for work in some Red Light District somewhere instead of on the football field. All I'm saying is, if Vick is available to play football...he will play football. As in, if he doesn't receive a lifetime ban from the NFL, he'll have no problem at all finding a team that'll bring him aboard. Yea, it'd be a public relations nightmare for a while, you're right. Sure, the team might lose some fans because of it, but not enough to make it not worthwhile to bring about a superstar quarterback on the cheap. If Vick signs on with some team and brings them a Superbowl, he'll be regarded as a hero and will walk on water in that city. It's pathetic, but it's the way fans are.

I disagree...I don't believe that there is a single team in the NFL without a solid QB that wouldn't take Vick on when he gets out assuming he's still in playing shape, which I imagine that he will be. The PETA protests won't last forever and Vick will still put asses in the seats. I'm not a fan of Vick's off the field antics, but the guy is still IMO the most exciting player to watch in the NFL short of maybe Reggie Bush or Devin Hester.

WMP is one of the only guys that I've ever seen the Sox trade away that I really want to flourish. I always liked him when he was here and I hope he RAKES for the Nationals. Nats fans need something to get excited about...Zimmerman and Pena could be the duo to do that. Obviously they're not the names you think of when you think of guys to build a franchise around, but we're spoiled being Sox and Yankee fans.