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i just want him to shut his mouth

it looks like the orioles are starting to give up on burnett. instead theyre going after jeff weaver and jason shmidt The Marlins continue to speak with several teams, most prominently Baltimore and Boston. The Orioles are not sure they would make the deal even if the Marlins absorbed $10 million of the $21 million owed Lowell through 2007. One report in Baltimore said there might be a split in the Orioles front office about Burnett, with some high-ranking officials questioning whether he is a sure-fire No. 1 starter. The Marlins are talking to Boston and Minnesota about a three-way deal in which the Marlins would receive pitchers Bronson Arroyo from the Red Sox and Joe Mays from Minnesota. Burnett, Lowell and reliever J.C. Romero would go to Boston and third baseman Bill Mueller and prospects would wind up with the Twins. Baltimore has contacted the Dodgers about Jeff Weaver and the Giants about Jason Schmidt if the deal for Burnett falls through. "We know that A.J.'s name is floating around and Mikey Lowell's name is floating around," Lenny Harris said. "It's brought our team a little closer. Everybody knows what's going on, we're just tying to keep it together and, hopefully, we'll keep these guys around." -palm beach post

They were in similar position not long ago By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff | July 22, 2005 CHICAGO -- Remember this, as you sift through the trade rumors swirling around the Red Sox: This time last summer, it hadn't occurred to general manager Theo Epstein that he'd soon be in possession of a new shortstop in Orlando Cabrera, a backup outfielder in Dave Roberts, and a new first baseman in Doug Mientkiewicz. The hot rumor of last summer, that the Sox would land pitcher Matt Clement from the Cubs for Nomar Garciaparra, or in a possible three-team deal with the Florida Marlins, never materialized. That's why Kevin Millar was entitled to be in full mocking mode in the visitors' clubhouse yesterday afternoon when he took note of the covey of reporters circling his locker, clambered on top of a chair, and loudly announced that he and Bill Mueller had been traded to the Minnesota Twins. His point being, of course, that most trade talk is just that, and the deals that ultimately take place occur with more stealth. Did the Sox discuss a deal with the Twins that would have sent third baseman Mueller to the Twins for lefthanded reliever J.C. Romero, and floated a proposal for a bigger deal that would have sent either Millar or a prospect to the Twins for Romero and starting pitcher Joe Mays? Yes. Was that deal still in play yesterday? The signals were mixed. The Twins, who were burned in last summer's four-team deal involving Garciaparra -- Minnesota should have come away with a prospect but lost track of that player in the last-minute, complicated permutations -- weren't happy to discover that a third team, the Marlins, were involved in the proposed transaction, with the Sox flipping Mays with Bronson Arroyo to the Marlins for pitcher A.J. Burnett. For now, anyway, that deal is dormant, and possibly dead. But the Sox still need a lefthanded reliever, and the Twins still need a third baseman, so renewed discussions are just a phone call away. And with the Orioles still appearing to be in full retreat mode in trade talks for Burnett, the Sox remained confident they could execute a trade for the Florida righthander, who is eligible for free agency after the season. The Marlins don't want to see Burnett walk after the season without getting something in return. They like Arroyo -- a lot, by most accounts. If they can't do a deal that would get them a starter and a reliever, they might prefer the Sox' offer more than the best the Orioles have to offer, a package featuring reliever Jorge Julio. Epstein has warned that this year's market isn't exactly teeming with hot commodities. We might be talking more about a trading season like the summer of '03, when the Sox added a modestly talented starter in Jeff Suppan and two relievers in Scott Williamson and Scott Sauerbeck, than a summer of '04, when the Garciaparra trade knocked the Nation off its axis. And yet, you can trace the contours of Epstein's thinking -- that this is a team with obvious needs, and one playing as shakily as it was last summer -- by looking at the moves he has already made and is contemplating. He has strengthened the middle infield with the additions of Alex Cora and Tony Graffanino, picked up Chad Bradford to bolster his bullpen, and brought in reserve outfielder Adam Hyzdu as reinforcement until Gabe Kapler is ready. Had the Sox been able to execute the three-team deal, Epstein would have landed a top-of-the-rotation starter in Burnett, a swing-and-miss setup man, while absorbing a third baseman, Mike Lowell, who is having a bad year and costs a lot of money but is also Gold Glove-caliber and a dead pull hitter who might find Fenway Park the perfect place to stage a revival. So while Millar cracked wise, there was optimism in both the Sox clubhouse and front offices that Burnett could be had. There was even some talk that in the end, they might not even need to take Lowell for the deal to get done. But don't lose sight of the fact there are permutations none of us -- including Epstein -- have yet to think of Globe

Kevin Millar is not getting too worked up about finding his name included in pre-trading deadline stories. When teammates strolled into the clubhouse yesterday, Millar yelled to them, ``I'm going to Minnesota. For Joe Mays, J.C. Romero. Me and Bill Mueller [stats, news],'' before explaining to reporters how little stock he places in these types of stories. ``That's just hearsay,'' said Millar. ``From the time I've been in this game, if you've heard about a trade, it's not going to happen. Most of the time by the time the media gets it, or ESPN gets it, it seems like it never goes on. Trades that happen, you show up one day and you're gone." Millar said he planned to stick to the game of baseball, not the business of it. ``We trust in Theo (Epstein, the Sox general manager), that Theo does the right thing - Theo's not stupid,'' said Millar. ``He knows how to run a team, he knows how special this is but there's things you need to upgrade and what those are, that's not our job. ``Players play. That's their job, that's the business side of the game.'' Besides, getting your name in the papers in this instance is not an insult - usually. ``That means you're somewhat of a good player because somebody's asking about you,'' said Millar. ``Either you're terrible or you can help a team out, so you take it however you want to do it. I just go with the flow, you know.'' Terry Francona said he and Epstein spoke three or four times yesterday but that the subject of trades did not come up. The Red Sox remain interested in Florida right-hander A.J. Burnett but continue to have little interest in dealing away a top prospect and Bronson Arroyo for him. The Red Sox may have to get the prospects from another club involved in a Marlins deal for it to work but the Orioles remain the likeliest destination for Burnett. Herald

it looks like billy wagner might also be involved. this is really confusing.

i love the posibility of this trade

he better pull the trigger

ya thats were i go

womacks a bum the yankees would need to trade wang, melky cabrera and probaly womack to get him

sori sayd hed play CF for the yankees but the rangers want pitching in return and the yankees have 0 pitching to trade

espn's trade rumor central has information about arroyo,millar,lowell and burnett

MAKE THE TRADE- the redsox will be getting a great #2 starter with the best stuff in the NL (according to schilling) and will be getting 1 of the best LH setup guys along with a 3B who averages 25 HR and a .275 avg. a year. hes been doing much better second have of the year. i think something will happen in the next 2 days

MAKE THE TRADE- the redsox will be getting a great #2 starter with the best stuff in the NL (according to schilling) and will be getting 1 of the best LH setup guys along with a 3B who averages 25 HR and a .275 avg. a year. hes been doing much better second have of the year.

i think your right but id miss mueller whos the hardest worker on the team

i like this trade better than the one all the papers have but i dont think the twins wont a contract like lowells. theyre a small market team.

While the Yankees are looking at Colorado's Eric Byrnes and will revisit Seattle's Randy Winn in their quest for a center fielder, they are also including some so-called "Four-A" players in their search -- players who have shuttled between the majors and minors or are on the cusp of the majors. One name that has cropped up is Chip Ambres, a former No. 1 pick of the Florida Marlins who was traded Tuesday from Boston to Kansas City. In fact, the Yankees seem to have interest in just about all the Royals outfielders. The Yankees had three scouts at last night's Kansas City-Cleveland game (Ambres made his major-league debut in left field, David DeJesus started in center and Emil Brown was in right). In 84 games with Boston's Triple-A Pawtucket club, Ambres, 25, had a .294 batting average, .401 on-base percentage, 20 doubles, 10 home runs and 19 steals. While the Florida Marlins are open to deals to shake up their underachieving team, they are not believed to be open to moving center fielder Juan Pierre. -New Jersey CHIP AMBRES(who we traded for tony grafinino) PLAYING CF FOR THE YANKEES???? :wtf:

damon wants $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and the yankees already said they will go aftre him in the offseason and damon probaly will go i like mueller but hes going to be 35 next year and has had injury problems

i think trade youkilis and millar to twins instead of mueller and hav lowell play 1st which he is willing to do

i think if burnett and lowell go anywhere it will be boston just because no other teams are willing to take lowell

PALM BEACH POST PHOENIX — With the Baltimore Orioles reluctant to absorb even part of third baseman Mike Lowell's contract, the Marlins' quest to trade pitcher A.J. Burnett once again has spread to other teams. The Boston Red Sox have jumped back into the talks, possibly with a third team, according to reports. Boston is offering starting pitcher Bronson Arroyo as the primary bait and would need a third team to take third baseman Bill Mueller if it winds up with Lowell. Things are not quiet," Marlins General Manager Larry Beinfest said. "There is a lot of activity in the marketplace. There's a lot of phone conversations." Although the Marlins and Orioles continue to talk, reports out of Baltimore say the Orioles are not willing to pick up even half of the $21 million due Lowell through 2007. Lowell, 31, has been swinging the bat much better since the All-Star break, but has had some tough luck, hitting the ball right at people and being victimized at least three times by outstanding defensive plays. He has raised his average to.232 but remains stuck on four home runs. He has 38 RBI. Burnett pitched well Tuesday, allowing three runs in six innings against Arizona while improving his record to 6-6. Burnett said he had expected to be traded before Tuesday's start. "It's tough," he said. "I think of Brad Penny last year. He got traded the day of his start, when he got to the field." Some reports say a proposed deal in which the Marlins would receive Baltimore pitching prospect Hayden Penn, relievers Jorge Julio and, possibly, Steve Kline and outfielder Larry Bigbie for Burnett and Lowell is on the back burner. To help Baltimore absorb the cost of Burnett, the Marlins not only would have to pay a significant part of Lowell's contract, they would take Kline, a left-hander who has a two-year, $5.6 million contract. The Marlins, though, will not take starter Sidney Ponson and the $10 million remaining on his contract. A trade with Boston would give the Marlins an immediate replacement for Burnett. Arroyo is 8-5 with a 4.05 ERA. "We want to win this year, and we definitely think we have a chance to do that," Beinfest said. "But you always have an eye on the future. Anything we do, we say, 'What does this mean for now? What does this mean for the future?' " Boston has been linked to the Marlins' trade talks from the start, but one report said the team was mystified by the Marlins' reluctance to return calls earlier this week. The Red Sox might be willing to take on more of Lowell's contract if they could unload Mueller, who is making $2.5 million this season. The White Sox and Blue Jays also have expressed an interest in Burnett, but neither is willing to take Lowell.

:what: how is mike lowell at all better defensivily than bill mueller who might win a gold glove this year

NEW YORK POST There is big action in his neighborhood, but George Steinbrenner can't get in the game. Worse, The Boss is likely to watch AL East rivals Boston or Baltimore land A.J. Burnett, the jewel of a very shallow pitching pool, because the Yankees don't have what the Marlins want. According to somebody familiar with the Marlins' thinking, the Red Sox have slipped ahead of the Orioles in the race for Burnett because the Bosox will take struggling third baseman Mike Lowell with Burnett. Supposedly, the deal is being discussed between owners since Boston's John Henry and the Marlins' Jeffrey Loria are very close. It's not believed to being close, but with 10 days left before the trade deadline there is plenty of time to put it together. Here is how the deal the Yankees can't touch is being put together: The Red Sox send third baseman Bill Mueller and possibly a prospect to the Twins for lefty J.C. Romero and righty Joe Mays. The Red Sox then send Bronson Arroyo and Mays to the Marlins for Burnett and Lowell. It's very real," a source said of the blockbuster deal the Yankees won't be happy about seeing go down. The key is the Red Sox taking Lowell, because the 31-year-old former Yankee farmhand is owed a lot of money and is experiencing a miserable season. At least he would upgrade the Red Sox defense at third. Lowell makes $7.5 million this year and has mutual options for $9 million in the next two seasons. He was batting .232 with four homers and 38 RBIs. The White Sox and Angels have also expressed interest in Burnett, a 28-year old righty with electric stuff who will be a free agent after the season and makes $3.65 million this year. He is 6-6 with a 3.68 ERA and has fanned 120 in 1242/3 innings. As for the Yankees, they are looking for an upgrade in center field and would like to land a back-of-the-end rotation starter. However, it doesn't appear GM Brian Cashman will be able to accomplish much without getting a third party interested in a three-way. Their interest in Rockies right-hander Shawn Chacon is lukewarm at best. The Dodgers are shopping Odalis Perez, but he is owed close to $24 million through 2007 and is 4-5 with a 5.06 ERA. :thumbsup:

i dont see y we wouldnt send lowell to minesota who is desperate for a 3B??

PHOENIX · The Marlins' search for a worthwhile package in exchange for starter A.J. Burnett is moving beyond Chesapeake Bay. Once considered a virtual lock to land in Baltimore, Burnett's next move has become uncertain. The Marlins' insistence in attaching Mike Lowell to a deal for their coveted right-hander has kept Burnett in teal. Lowell is owed about $21 million through 2007, and the Marlins are finding it difficult to shed all or even a portion of that. The Orioles' reluctance to take Lowell and any portion of his salary has prompted the Marlins to begin looking elsewhere. Team officials spent the better part of Wednesday working on a three-way deal involving the Red Sox and Twins. In that scenario, the Marlins would have received pitchers Bronson Arroyo and Joe Mays. Bill Mueller and prospects would have gone to the Twins, and the Red Sox were set to get Lowell, Burnett and J.C. Romero. According to one American League source, by early evening the deal looked like it was dead. The Sox aren't keen on taking Lowell, and the Marlins aren't crazy about Mays. "Boston doesn't have any interest in Lowell," one team executive said. "Obviously [the Marlins] are not going to pay the whole thing. If he was performing anywhere near the way he did the last few years, we'd consider it. But he doesn't look like the same guy. In general, teams are saying they'd have trouble taking him even with [the Marlins] paying most of it." If or when the Marlins determine they've exhausted all their possibilities of moving Lowell with Burnett, any number of teams will re-enter the hunt. The Red Sox, White Sox, Orioles, Tigers and Blue Jays all are willing to deal for Burnett. Unlike some of the aforementioned clubs, the Red Sox are willing to take Burnett without signing him to an extension. Burnett is eligible for free agency after this season. Any deal with the Red Sox would have to deliver Arroyo, who is not eligible for free agency until after 2008, to the Marlins. Chances are the Red Sox would need to acquire a bullpen arm from somewhere else to satisfy the Marlins' need for a reliever. "Hopefully I stay around here," Burnett said, after getting the win Tuesday. sun-sentinel

i think hanley will be are starting CF and youk should be at third for next year. Also maybe pedroia at 2nd.