Elktonnick

But we have irrefutable proof of your impatience

I waited 57 years for the Sox to win it all. I don't think I am in a position to wait that long again.

And how many offers like that has Bloom received?

You once again ask the wrong question. The right question is would he recognize a good deal if it were offered? We have no proof one way or another that he would.

You should only take "the best offer to date," if you think it's a good deal, and you don't think you can get more.

To my way of thinking no GM should ever make a deal just to make a deal even if it is a good one. Deals should only be made if the club is better off after the deal than before.

The real issue here is none of us knows what Bloom's actual instructions from Henry really are. We all presume that it is to get below the LT. However since making that somewhat oblique remark several months ago other statements coming out folks like Kennedy seem to indicate that getting below the LT may not be the absolute bottom line goal that Bloom is trying to achieve. We may all think it is but none of us really knows for certain.

Again for my part, I think there is a lot of misdirection and possible disinformation being spread about Boston's intentions. This may be done to obscure some move that may surprise us all. I suspect that this may be the case to prevent other clubs from disrupting whatever Boston plays to do since unlike other clubs the Sox aren't in a position to merely throw money at the problem, like the Yankees have done with Cole, to achieve their objectives.

The point was: To appease impatient fans, should Chaim Bloom accept that offer if it's the best offer to date?

 

Of course not.

 

Bloom probably has fielded multiple offers, some that remain standing and some that have been withdrawn. The fact that Bloom had not negotiated a major trade on December 18 should not be evidence that he is not doing his job.

It does not prove that he is either. In fact it is proof of nothing.

I could see something like this, even though the trade simulator says it's an overpay by the Sox:

 

Betts, Eovaldi & Chavis

 

for

 

Pollock, Maeda, Barnes, Urias & Vargas/Santana (1B)

 

If they say no, maybe...

 

 

Betts, Eovaldi & Chavis

 

for

 

Pollock, Maeda, Barnes, Downs, Busch & Vargas (1B) or Santana (1B)

 

 

 

As I have posted many times before I would be very surprised if the Sox will be willing or able to move Betts before the trade deadline. I think Price and or JBJ are another matter. I suspect that their efforts are concentrated along those lines.

Perhaps that's precisely what Chaim Bloom is doing.

 

Or not.

Then let him get on with it while we are still young.

So should Chaim Bloom trade Mookie Betts for Joc Pederson straight up to save the Red Sox $19 million for luxury tax purposes and to prove to impatient fans that he is on the job?

He should do whatever he has to, to keep the Red Sox in contention. Whatever he does or doesn't do, does not mean he deserves to be " cut any slack". He is as Red Barber used to say is in the cat bird seat. If he can not handle it then he should get another job. Whatever I notice he is not the one asking fans to go easy on him.

Chaim Bloom has likely been asked to get under the luxury tax threshold while improving on an 84-win team that missed the postseason despite baseball's highest payroll.

 

That's a tall order.

 

Fans should probably cut Bloom some slack.

Why cut him any slack? This the Major Leagues not tee ball. No one gets participation trophies. Either you can cut it or you can't.

We might be able to do this for just May, but we'd probably have to take back Pollock or add a bunch of cash.

If Bloom can pull off a mega deal with the LA Dodgers that nets the Sox players who would keep the Sox in contention and get them below the LT then that would be something worth noting. I would tp my hat to him if he is successful.

Considering how many of his buddies got purged back in 2012, I think we know the answer to this.

"Purge" You make this forum sound like Stalin's Kremlin in the 1930s.

If his goal is to unload a lot of cash - and per everyone in the Sox front office, it is - then he also needs to find a willing GM to take on said cash, or as much of it as possible. That means his "inaction" isn't necessarily all on his inability to make a decision, but rather his waiting on the decisions from his league-wide counterparts to help fulfuill his needs.

 

And really, he cannot add too much until he knows how much he can unload. This is probably not a matter of Bloom being unable to make a decision or overthinking everything. There are 31 other decision makes involved around the league he needs input from.

 

Or he could act hastily and give the appearance of activity and see if anything is better out there, especially if what he is currently doesn't make all that much sense...

Or he could be just indecisive. He could be overwhelmed with the realization that people actually care about the Red Sox as opposed to the friends family and fans for the opposing team that typically show up for Rays games.

Dombrowski wasn’t exactly the fastest mover the last two offseasons, either.

 

But as of now, it’s stil only December 17, and the season is over 3 full months away. And most of the names taken off the board were names that didn’t fit their budget anyway. And Bloom has added a couple players, albeit unexciting ones. But both have some level of promise.

 

But he does have to clear a lot of salary, and while he reportedly has had an offer or two for Price, what we don’t know is how much salary it would have cleared. If Team X came in and said “We’ll take Price, but we need you to kick in $65 million and we will send back another Josh Tobias type,” do you really think Bloom should be taking that deal? Or “We’ll take Price’s full contract if you take Robinson Cano’s.” (Both players are owed $96 million, but Cano’s money is over 4 years while Price’s is over 3.) While that move does put the Sox $7mill closer, it might not be enough to accomplish the goal and probably clinches the need to trade Betts.

 

But Bloom could act hastily and screw thus team up, if that’s what you want...

There are always plenty of excuses for doing nothing. Until he proves otherwise Bloom is just one more "wunderkind" wannabe!

1) On Sept. 26, 2019 John Henry said:

 

"This year we need to be under the CBT and that was something we've known for more than a year now. If you don't reset there are penalties so we've known for some time now we needed to reset as other clubs have done."

 

2) On Oct 25, 2019 Bloom was hired.

 

3) The Red Sox projected 2020 payroll for tax purposes is currently 20 million or more over the tax threshold.

 

Does that explain it?

The point is Bloom is too busy contemplating his navel to have done anything. So far he hasn't done anything he was purportedly hired to do.

The question remains is he paralyzed by analysis or the decision by consensus approach the Red Sox have supposedly implemented? Is time still on his side or not?

His current budget for acquisitions is in the negative, so he isn’t gonna do much more than shop the clearance section

Supposedly according to many here he was hired to sell not buy.

Bloom is no Nietzsche.

How do you know? He hasn"t done anything. Nada, zilch, zip, zero!

While true, as he said nothing definitive, you were merely being redundant. It was the Debate Equivalent of “I know you are but what am I?” And you know that.

 

I have hopes for you bringing up salient counterpoints. I know you can do better...

Rene Descartes proved the philosophical existence of man by the simple expression Cogito ergo sum which essentially became the foundation of Western Philosophy. Bloom, maybe be just thinking but he isn't doing. So other than existing what else has he demonstrated? Nihil facit!

For a man who preaches debate techniques, I found that counterpoint substantially lacking...

Your point was in fact pointless. The absence of proof is not proof of absence. Because we do not know is exactly the point. He has not demonstrated anything except being dilatory.

For all we know Chaim Bloom may have made numerous criticial decisions "on his own" already.

And for all we know may not have.

Or... the whole “Spend,spend, spend” off-seasons Sox fans are used to aren’t happening this year. Was he making many moves in Tampa in December in seasons past.

 

Just because he hasn’t made moves anyone is excited about doesn’t mean he has no idea how to do the job...

Never said or implied he has no idea on how to do the job. The question is does he have the will or the authority to make decisions on his own.

Bloom needs to pull his thumb out of his ass and start building a lock-down bullpen. Regardless of what the Yankees have done this off-season, the Red Sox are still deep and talented. The strategy should be the same as it was in 2018... have the pitching come out of the gate strong and carry the team until the weather and the offense heats up. If the pitching gets us off to a good start, the 2020 team will roll. Price, Sale and Eovaldi had plenty of down time in 2019 to heal up and start the season healthy. Together with ERod, they are a formidable starting staff. The decision last Spring Training that had the pitchers behind the league when the season started dug a fatally big hole for the team. Bloom needs to get some dominant BP arms and fill in a few other details. I am not seeing any evident strategy at play by Bloom. It's to get moving.

It seems that Bloom is MIA. Has anyone filed a missing persons report with the Mass State Police or the Boston PD?

5 years is a long wait especially for a team with a high payroll.

I certainly agreed. Red Sox ownership can not afford to field non contenders for 4 or 5 years.

That's very true in this particular case, but he did not lose money on the whole deal.

That may have more to do with McCourt's business acumen. Just be thankful that he was unsuccessful in his attempt to buy the Red Sox

That wasn't your point.

 

My guess is the current owner will make a killing when selling, too.

 

Forbes estimates the $2B turning into $2.8B.

It isn't price it is net worth. Inherent in the price paid for the Dodgers was assumption of hundreds of millions in debt. The value is also in the real estate especially the parking lots estimated at hundreds of million of dollars. The economics aren't that simple as the value of the franchise alone. The value of the land makes up a substantial portion of that 2 plus billion dollar figure.

I just read, MCCourt made $2 billion on the sale.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2013/06/15/how-frank-mccourt-made-2-billion-from-the-los-angeles-dodgers-and-team-remains-saddles-with-debt/#6ecbc57a1249

And the team is still saddled with debt.