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... a little bit. We don't need to acquire a Name, just a guy who can do what we had guys like Aaron Cook and Paul Byrd do in recent years. Come in and be a warm body if absolutely nessary and sit in the minors in the meantime.
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You know, UN, the way you overreact makes it all the more entertaining for me to keep right on. Half the reason I keep on with the Nava stuff is because I got painted into a corner awhile back by folks that demand that Sox fans only root for superstars and can't understand what joy I get out of looking down to the #20 spot or below on the team roster for people to pull for. Now I'm desperately pulling for Nava to make a fool of a few people. He's the best chance i've seen since Kason Gabbard for one of the underrated guys I always pull for to make a real impact.
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Finally got a chance to watch the home run Nava hit last night. Holy smokes. If Pedroia hadn't blazed the trail before him I wouldn't have thought a guy that size could hit the ball that far. Combine that with going out to deep center at Rogers, and the possibility that this long-suffering kid has finally found his big league swing can't be ignored.
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He's got a chance. I mean all he needs to do is bat about .270 or so and the rest of the rate stats should easily click into place. All through the minors he was a solid-to-great contact hitter, I can't imagine it's impossible that he'd find a way to adjust well enough to hit two-freaking-seventy, especially if they use him in a platoon role more this year so he can draw some favorable matchups.
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Sure, but I do think SoxSport has a point too. Balanced skillsets matters as much as a strong clubhouse and I could tolerate a black hole at short as long as neither light nor baseballs can escape its inexorable gravitational pull, if you know what I'm saying. Trading that for a few more hits a year strikes me as penny-wise and pound-foolish. If you've lined up your talent well enough that your team starts winning, the clubhouse tends to take care of itself. Nothing sours a clubhouse like the whole team sucking at once. In other words: We're dependent to win games on having great years from our pitching staff -- above their career averages across the board even, especially if we want into the Series. Setting themselves up as best we can to actually accomplish that is the least dumb thing we could be doing with our talent distribution right now, and there's a definite argument to be made that Iglesias helps us there more than Drew does.
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Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but when it comes to Iglesias, I have my doubts that he's ever going to play in the minors long enough to learn how to hit big league pitching.
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If you're going to post in this thread, could I ask once more for you to keep your comments on topic? Ad homenim attacks are clearly against the forum rules. Again, no one's forcing you to be here. If you don't like being here, be somewhere else. If for some unknown reason you have a legitimate problem with there actually being a thread about a Red Sox player on a Red Sox forum, feel free to cultivate the conversation with threads of your own that pull the forum in directions you prefer. If this doesn't matter to you, no one's stopping you from opening your own thread about facets of the Red Sox that matter to you. That's all I'm doing, and it's the whole point of being on a forum like this. tl:dr: Post on topic or GTFO
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If you don't like this thread, you know where the "back" button is. If you're going to wait for someone like me with an axe to grind, to start threads for you, then you don't get to gripe about what the threads we start are about. Feel free to offer your own original ideas and concepts for discussion once in awhile. Lord knows there's plenty of viable topics to discuss. Who comes into the rotation with Lackey down, the situation in middle infield, Will Middlebrooks' monster night last night, among many others. While you're doing that, the issue I'm talking about is germane to the team and the forum, so if you're quite done trolling, I think I'd like to try and keep the thread on topic, mmk?
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He doesn't exactly cut the figure of your standard 1B does he? Mostly scouts like a guy with a big target so he has a better chance to knock down a bad throw. But he wasn't half bad, and that stretch on Middlebrooks' grounder made it look like he'd been there for years. You know he was good because no one noticed him -- which for a 1B is a pretty decent compliment.
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I think even in a bench role, Iglesias returns far more value than Carp. If Iglesias were a top offensive prospect perhaps I'd feel differently, but I think that Iggy needs to do his learning in the bigs. He's not going to learn how to beat big league pitching by swinging in the minors.
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You'd rather have Carp on the roster than Iglesias? Why?
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That's Drew sorted, now what about Ortiz? Bradley and one other player, or Iglesias and one other player, or Bradley and Iglesias, or two other players, are going down. Those are your options. Right now if you don't make a move your obvious answers are either Carp and Bradley or Carp and Iglesias. Either wat, Carp is by far the weakest link. The franchise clearly trusts Nava over Carp at first, that's why Nava started there on a getaway day game. If you were going to work Carp into the lineup that was the time to do it; Farrell went with Nava. That means that either Iglesias or Bradley goes down when Ortiz returns.
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You may be right, you may be wrong. I don't really want to lose Ciriaco if it can be avoided, I'm on record beleiving strongly in his value after all, but I think that it would be a crime to send Iglesias down right now.
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Depends on how Bradley's doing. I'd say we can cross that bridge when we come to it. The weakest link right now is Carp. If the team trusted Carp, he would have played over Nava on Sunday afternoon. He's gone now or later, might as well let Iggy have a bit more PT in the meantime.
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I think Ciriaco could fetch a useful return in trade. But then I'm on record beleiving that Ciriaco could start for a few teams -- at second if not at short. Second base is notoriously weak in talent right now.
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... if we still have both Carp and Bradley on the roster when that happens. Nava's a better overall hitter than Carp. If he looks fine at 1B, Carp is officially redundant, he gets waived or demoted, and Nava takes over platooning with either Gomes or Napoli. Taking the minority role in a platoonish situation with Napoli along with his outfield duties is probably the best case scenario for Nava. Since Napoli has that hip issue the team is going to want to rest him regularly, maybe give him 120 games on the year. If we time Napoli's rest days around facing RHP's and Nava takes most those and plays 40 games in the OF that's half time play, which seems to be what he's able to handle before wearing down. I strongly suspect Carp isn't long for the roster, through little fault of his own. Hopefully he accepts assignment. That kind of depth at a vulnerable position is valuable. Not as valuable as having all of Ortiz, Drew and Iglesias on the roster though.
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I'd drop Carp instead of Iggy. Let him and Drew wrestle for it and give Farrell ulcers thinking how best to use his 2 very good shortstops.
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Drew was going to start at some point. You can rail against the money winning, but the team isn't going to mothball $8M in shortstop for an entire season. That would be freaking ridiculous whether you like Iggy or not.
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Did I say at any point that Nava was going to force Napoli off 1B? Being able to back up there and be defensively solid is going to allow Napoli to back up there against righthanded pitching, which combined with whatever work he gets in the outfield, will help keep him fresh. I really think he has a chance to catapult over Gomes to replace Bradley if Bradley falters. As the lefthanded side of a platoon, the advantage in playing time would be his anyway.
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I'd actually be quite shocked if we called up Webster at this point, straight out of AA. I can see the appeal of the retreads. Neither Webster or JDLR are ready for prime time this early in the year -- both of them need at least another half season. So unless you're going to call up the likes of Chris Hernandez or Terry Doyle, or slide Aceves into the rotation, your options are actually pretty limited.
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Which is why I'd be glad to hear people's opinions of Nava at 1B. Napoli hasn't been off to a great start defensively, and I thought Nava looked solid with the little I saw of him there. If he's a positive surprise defensively, that could be important for us down the road. He's a much better hitter than Carp to be sure. I think there's a chance Bradley gets sent back to the minors in a few weeks. He's struggling offensively, which really doesn't surprise me that much considering he's going from a partial season in AA straight to the majors. I'm not going to call him a spring training mirage but... I can see a scenario in which Bradley goes down, Gomes can't hack it defensively, and who does that leave? I'm all for anything that keeps Nava's bat fresh right now. It could wind up being important.
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And we care why?
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We had no active threads about it actually, and I was asking a very specific question. 1B is a new position for Nava and he's a member of this team, therefore a germane topic of conversation on a Red Sox fan forum. Right now we have two players who essentially do the same thing -- Carp and Nava. And of the two Nava is the better hitter. If Nava plays 1B well enough that we don't need Carp, that helps our roster flexibility a great deal. Probably to the point that we could stand to carry Iglesias, Drew and Ciriaco rather than having to trade Ciriaco or demote Iggy, so there is something at stake here.
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Didn't get a chance to watch the game. How'd he look? Heard Castig complimenting his D, and from the highlights he had a decent stretch on Middlebrooks' great barehand play. Overall, he wasn't noticeably bad, and I think that's all we were asking of him. But it looked from the little I saw, that it went actually a little beyond that and he wasn't visibly out of place defensively at 1B at all. But I'm such a Nava homer that I want someone else's opinion. Like to hope Nava can eventually make Carp obsolete so we can keep Iglesias, Drew and Ciriaco all on the roster. I don't want Iggy sent down. If Nava is still hitting a little and playing first and corner OF, we ought to have the versatility to keep all three MIF
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Clearly the Rogers Centre needs to upgrade their security.
