TheKilo

Castigs until 3:19 PM

You think Lowell, Drew, and Posada were playing for contracts? Beltre was linked to PEDs.

Fairly certain Matthews has been linked to PEDs. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2007-02-28-steroids-investigation_x.htm

That and this season is not really out of the norm from some of his seasons in Pittsburgh - I guess he's getting more "clutch" hits but that is a random phenomenon and not something that can be measured or relied upon.

Then why bother posting in the thread? Anyways, it looks like Hamilton won't be there, so I'd remove him, put Hunter as the starter, and add Jermaine Dye as the next AL OF.

Premise is simple. Who makes your team following the same standard rules (one individual from each team selected)? Assume the current vote leader gets elected. Starters: [table]Position|AL Player|Team|NL Player|Team C|J. Mauer|MIN|Y. Molina|STL 1B|M. Teixeira|NYY|A. Pujols|STL 2B|I. Kinsler|TEX|C. Utley|PHI 3B|E. Longoria|TB|D. Wright|NYM SS|D. Jeter|NYY|H. Ramirez|FLA OF|J. Bay|BOS|R. Ibanez|PHI OF|Ichiro|SEA|R. Braun|MIL OF|J. Hamilton|TEX|C. Beltran|NYM[/table] Reserves: [table]Position|AL Player|Team|NL Player|Team C|V. Martinez|CLE|B. McCann|ATL C|M. Napoli|LAA|R. Hanigan|CIN 1B|K. Youkilis|BOS|A. Gonzalez|SD IF|A. Hill|TOR|F. Sanchez|PIT IF|M. Scutaro|TOR|M. Tejada|HOU 3B|B. Inge|DET|R. Zimmerman|WAS OF|T. Hunter|LAA|J. Upton|ARI OF|N. Markakis|BAL|B. Hawpe|COL OF|A. Jones|BAL|M. Kemp|LAD[/table] Pitchers: [table]Position|AL Player|Team|NL Player|Team SP|Z. Grienke|KC|T. Lincecum|SF SP|J. Verlander|DET|J. Vazquez|ATL SP|R. Halladay|TOR|Y. Gallardo|MIL SP|K. Millwood|TEX|M. Cain|SF SP|M. Buerhle|CWS|C. Billingsley|LAD SP|E. Jackson|DET|J. Johnson|FLA SP|CC Sabathia|NYY|T. Lilly|CHC RP|B. Fuentes|LAA|J. Broxton|LAD RP|J. Papelbon|BOS|H. Bell|SD RP|M. Rivera|NYY|F. Rodriguez|NYM RP|A. Bailey|OAK|R. Franklin|STL RP|J. Nathan|MIN|H. Street|COL[/table]

Good idea for a thread - but keep in mind the sample is not large enough to draw any conclusions from. I will say this, a lot of these numbers seem accurate (aside from Ellsbury). Youkilis, now, is a much better 1B than 3B. I think the fact that he's getting older means his range is becoming more limited. Still, being rated as an average defensive 3B sounds about right. Pedroia and Drew are clearly above average defensive players. Green's number surprised me but he gets to a lot of balls Lugo wouldn't get to. Bay has very limited range, and similar to Manny a lot of his warts are hidden by the Monster. Unfortunately, the Monster also skews the defensive rating pretty badly. Bay really benefits having Ellsbury next to him. Lowell is a statue. His hands are still OK but he has no range. Very troubling that his hip is bothering him so much right now.

I hope they pay him and re-sign him too I'm just struggling where an initial offer of 2/20 for a similar player is "insulting"

I missed the memo where everyone said the economy was supposed to improve by November. Except he plays LF. How do we know this? Abreu was supposed to get more than one year. Dunn more than two. But they didn't. 2/20 isn't where negotiations will end, but it's hardly insulting to begin there. This is an excellent point and one absolutely worth considering. It doesn't mean the opening offer of 2/20 is insulting.

ORS hasn't been on the board in four days. Executive decision - msu is now on the clock, ORS can make his two selections upon entering this thread.

Premium position? Last I checked Dunn and Bay both play LF. Both are below average defenders (although Dunn is much worse) Both are above average offensive players (I'd give the edge to Dunn) How much is baserunning really worth? A guy who hit 40 HRs the past four seasons just signed a deal for 2/20. Why is it insulting that Bay's negotiations are started there?

You misunderstand my question - why is Dunn's contract an insulting starting point for Jason Bay?

So it's pretty clear the Sox and Yanks are the two best teams in all of baseball, and the Mets are probably the most pathetic.

YH for two, until 1:10 PM

Two questions: What about this season makes people concerned that Bay is only putting up numbers "in a contract year"? (I don't even buy into this phenomenon, just curious) Why would you start with your best offer with negotiations?

What does this mean?

BSN until 7:11 tomorrow evening.

Well, what's the main goal for a hitter? To not make an out. What statistic measures how often batters don't make outs?

Spudboy mojo lives

Are you kidding me?

Dojji on the clock

Um, it's pretty much exactly racism.