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I don't think the solution is adding more talent. This team has the talent to win the World Series, of that I have no doubt. We are far more talented right now than teams that have won it all. The question is about time, and whether the players can turn into a unit that can fire on all cylinders between now and October. We've made a HUGE revolution in the roster over the last year, sometimes it can take time for all the changes to settle in. And sometimes the time it needs to happen does not exist. That's one of the risks you take when you make large changes to a roster.

Now now, we've all been that guy who's heard it from management again and again and only when we hear it from a friend who words it a little differently does it really sink in. The brain is a funny little computer, it's not always fully logical.

I think the difference is that big Papi has put his team over the top on his own bat a few times, and Sale hasn't had the chance. Rings can buy a lot of indulgence from fans and even execs. But I think the difference here is, if Papi feels disrespected, the team backpedals before **** goes public. The Chisox decided to ignore Sale's objectios and play a game of chicken with him over the jerseys, and Sale decided to win.

And if he hit that might not have even mattered. he got moved on from because he wasn't hitting.

Because there has ever been a manager in the history of baseball that has never given up an upset series over the course of the regular season. Are you being sarcastic? Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

benintendi's recent performance is not screaming "promote me!" For the moment, he's showing evidence that he still has plenty to learn in AA.

Rushing Benintendi because we don't know how to acquire a left fielder is not a solution, it's an admission of defeat.

The chance is exactly as good as it was this year.

Depends on the veteran starter. Sean O'Sullivan is a veteran starter, you wouldn't pay $13M for him. I think there's like 6 individual logical fallacies in this statement alone. Because the market for a pitcher with a 6 ERA and a $13m price tag, and about whom the only consistent trait is his inconsistency, must be absolutely sky high. That doesn't mean we can pretend that our garbage is gold.

the problem with managers is that nearly every decision they make involves playing the odds. and so therefore nearly every decision they make has a very large minority of times when it fails, simply due to the laws of probability. Easy enough to let confirmation bias do your thinking for you when even the best managers fail nearly as often as they succeed. Ignoring someone's successes and roosting like a nesting hen on the failures is something we humans are emotionally hard wired to do when we already decide we don't like them. Unless you're consciously guarding against it, it's a trap you WILL fall into.

We don't know that one way or another on the basis of what, 2 months? THAT'S suddenly enough games to evaluate a manager just because YOU want it to be? Take a wild guess what Farrell's own record was in 2013, his first season as our manager, in the same span of time. The honeymoon wasn't even over at that point. It took 2 years for people to decide Farrell was an idiot after praising him that first year. Why are you so sure on that basis of a tiny handful of games, that Lovullo is any less of a moron than Farrel "proved" to be? The only reason people are so hot after Lovullo is he's not John Farrell. Period, end of sentence. No seriously, dassit. Nothing to do with any assessment of Lovullo's own skills because in that span of games, with as little true impact as a manager has on any one game, no actual assessment is possible.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: John Farrell is an average manager. He is never going to be the reason your team wins, he is never going to be the REAL reason (outranged whinging fans notwithstanding) that your team loses. he's neither going to put you over the top or sink you, and he is going to be subject to the natural roll of the season rather than being able to rise above it. The fact of the matter is that people calling for Farrell to be replaced don't know how good they have it. You can do better than an average manager, but you can do a hell of a lot worse. Statistically speaking we have as much to lose as we have to gain from moving on from Farrell. But it's hard to tell that since, as he's merely average, there's plenty to criticize when taking him against the magical ideal manager that never existed and never will, and it's hard to know or evaluate potential other managers who could be brought in, so a manager is usually judged against the ideal instead of against real replacements. Long story short, swapping an average asset for a wildcard seems like a great idea until the wildcard turns out to be an absolute drooling moron.

This is not the first time Sale has had an issue with the ownership and management of the team. It's easy to blame the player, but I think management has to be in for its own share. A normal person does not get angry enough to slash his own jersey in a normal situation. So either Sale is toxic, or the situation in which he finds himself is so unbearable that the one last issue over the terrible jerseys causes him to lash out. Worth mentioning -- the jersey in particular is absolutely AWFUL, easily one of the worst and weirdest in the history of MLB. I mean they don't even look like baseball jerseys at all. Most of the time when you see a throwback jersey the size, weight and shape are still conformed to what the athlete is used to. This one, I don't see how it can be, because of the presence of that godawful collar http://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20150827/sports/150828845/AR/0/AR-150828845.jpg&updated=201508272319&MaxW=800&maxH=800&noborder As habit bound and set in their ways as ace pitchers sometimes HAVE to be, I can understand chafing under the gimmicky jerseys, which weren't popular with players even when they weren't "throwback." Throw in the evidence that the relations between players and management were already tainted due to the Drake LaRoche fiasco and the failure of communication that took place during that crisis, which fed a feeling that the White Sox ownership has no idea what it's doing and more interest in cashing in than in trying to win baseball games, and I think you begin to see why Sale would act out in this way. It was still massively immature, but there's a lot of environmental factors in play as well.

Even if he did, you guys are ignoring the fact that no plan ever survives contact with the enemy. you can have all the schedules and plans and facts and figures you want, situations are going to arise where failing to use Koji puts the game at needless risk.

He's like I was when I first joined the forum, only perhaps a little more self assured, and the bold-font thing. Ever since some of these BDC veterans joined the forum I've rarely felt the need to go on a massive big-idea tangent. they tend to fill that niche for me quite nicely.

The more i hear about Sale the less I want him. This is one of the hardest towns in baseball to successfully pitch in as it is, when adding a massive cost in farm talent into the equation along with such an apparently unstable personality, the whole concept of the trade seems more likeky than not to explode right in our faces. We already have one ''ace'' who we sank a lot of resources into and is not living up to the billing, and a ton of dead money from past misadventuresnas well. I don't want to take another big risk until I'm sure we can deal with the fallout if it utterly fails

no i don't think we can. Personally i think both stats have their strong points. I tend to be one that thinks it matters rather little HOW outs are recorded so I favor bWAR but I feel that at the least understanding how the 2 stats differ helps inform us even more about our athletes. Kimmi, yes Price is surrendering a ton of hits but IMHO it's nott all bad for Price. He is nowhere near to living up to his deal ofc but he's not pitching like a liability either. With last night factored in his WHIP is still below 1.3 and he's logging a lot of innings, both of thise facts do not change because he's put up some stinkers. Yes it is frustrating when the guy who of all our starters is supposed to be reliably dominant is instead merely adequate. Yes we're getting a 4 when we paid for a 1. No that is not a good reason to abandon our patience and objectivity.

We'll have to wait and see. Personally I think you guys are chasing moonbeams. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

I do not. I honestly think Swihart and Moncada are roughly equal if you evaluate them as prospects, they're both kind of iffy on what position they're going to play, they both can play at least one defense-premium position, and they both are first and foremost about their offensive skillset -- but Moncada has one advantage in terms of raw trade value because his clock hasn't started and he still has all his options.

No way they're going to trade Pedroia while they're in the pennant race. If they were going to trade Pedroia, the time to do it would have been last year. rebounding from the basement and looking for a well-regarded MLB-ready starting pitching prospect as a return. The plan would have then been for Holt to hold the position down until someone from the farm made it their own. It wouldn't have been a terrible plan, but at the moment I think we're all certainly glad the team didn't make that call.

I think it's a lot of smoke with no fire. In the same position I would never deal Sale. The White Sox just need some bats, their position is solvable without sacrificing their 2 aces. why trade away such major assets when you probably don't have to?

Would I be surprised if Moncada was our 3B? No, but I'd be disappointed, because it would mean that a guy I really like, Travis Shaw, is no longer effective. Right now Shaw is a plus on both offense and defense and is plenty young himself. 3b is his IMHO until he proves why it shouldn't be. Our open spot on this roster is at first, not third. before this year I would have felt otherwise as Shaw is a fine 1B, but I think it's time to consider him established at third and not keep trying to pencil in all these replacements for him. If he's this passable at 3B despite having only a few dozen games experience there over the last few years, I imagine he'll look much better with a few seasons under his belt. I think it may be awhile before we're properly rid of Shaw.

What you're overlooking is that even if they don't think they're contenders in the lifetime of those 2 contracts, and I don't see why they'd think that since they're barely a tick below .500, easily in the range of a couple strong roster moves putting them into the playoffs, but even if not, they should be able to re-sign Quintana and Sale. or at least the odds of doing so are high enough that no team is going to throw away the ace in hand without at least trying. Talk to me in 2018 and we'll see what the price is on Sale or Quintana. Sale in particular has been disgruntled with the white Sox, they might deal him near the end of his current contract. In the meantime the White Sox have plenty of reason to think they can pick up a couple good bats and put a team in the postseason if they keep their guys. I don't see them entertaining any deal for those two at any price at all. When the price is infinite, 1/1000 was probably giving you too much credit It's fun to dream though. I prefer to dream practical however. And dreaming on a Sale trade certainly isn't an excuse to fail to pursue real meaningful upgrades to a potential championship team in the meantime.

So far he's strictly a 2B. That's worth noting because Holt was originally a SS so whatever happens Moncada won't have Holt's level of versatility.

it's not easy to perfect your mechanics well enough to play competently at the highest level in your sport. Having to perfect them all over again can really mess some people up, and Hanley seems the type. If Farrell wants to take Hanley for what he is rather than trying to make him perfect/risking messing him up, I'm down with that, it's the decision I might have made. TBH I think a lot of his offensive troubles in the first half centered around learning the position. If he's reached a level teams are comfortable with and transitioned back to perfecting his offense, that's also fine by me.