Pedro

Yeah, and he got plenty of it. Enough already... he hasn't even pitched one full season yet, and he's been average this year. He's 21-21 lifetime with a 3.43 ERA... the hype needs to cool down a little bit.

Clemens gets smashed again and takes another hit to his gut -- 2 losses in a row.

He gets way too much attention, IMO.

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/50x50/bos.gif-->Bronson Arroyo #61-->http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/images/gameday/mugshots/276520.jpg-->2-5, 4.96 @ http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/50x50/sf.gif--->Jason Schmidt #29-->http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/images/gameday/mugshots/121834.jpg-->8-2, 2.50 ----------------------------------------------------- Schmidt's ERA is very misleading...... He's much, MUCH better than it shows. Last nine starts: 7-0, 1.75 ERA, 11.20 K/9 IP -- 119.2 pitches per start The... Best... Pitcher... In... Baseball Did my best Tek33 Game Thread imitation.

Did you read the whole article? The main reason it interests him is because Felipe Alou, his former manager from 1994-97, is running the show there. He also apparently likes the ballpark and the city. I've believed all along that if Pedro doesn't resign with Boston, that he'd be headed to San Francisco, Anaheim or Los Angeles. Pedro has said time and time again that he wants to finish in Boston and will take less money than he could get from another franchise to finish here. That's his 1st choice... if they jerk him around, he'll probably be headed to San Francisco because it looks as if Bonds is looking to DH in the AL next season (Obviously not in Boston ) which would free up his 18 mill and allow them to sign Pedro... after yesterday's game, he looks like he needs to DH full time. I'd love for Pedro to finish in a Red Sox uniform, but it may be in both his and the Red Sox best interest if they part ways. For him, he'd completely revive his career by returning to the National League full-time for the 1st time since 1997 and finally get a pitcher's ballpark to start half his games in. I guarantee he'll go on a Clemens-esque run. He'll also get a chance to actually complete some of his games under Alou, which he can still do. He had pitched 13 complete games in 1997. Comes to Boston in 1998 and only completes 3 that year. The 105 pitch thing is stupid, everyone gets hit harder after 105 pitches. Game 7 is one example and a bad one at that - It was at the very end of the season when he had well over 200 total innings on his arm. The fact that people think he can't go 9 innings anymore is just laughable. Maybe if he was given a chance once every dozen starts. I mean Jesus Christ, he is a 32 year old man. He hasn't had a shoulder injury since 2001. It isn't like he just signed a mult-year deal... it's his contract season -- He's making 17.5 million dollars... let him complete a start for CHRIST SAKE. God Damn. He won't be lowering that ERA if he doesn't get innings to pitch. And like yesterday, Damon PHing, hell, Pedro could've struck out too and stayed in the game... Pedro had a better AB than almost anybody all day and why the hell wasn't Damon starting to begin with? A day off, sure... but THREE starters for the same game and on Pedro's start no less? That's BS... Maybe if Nixon had been playing the whole game, the RED SOX could've won and scored MORE RUNS.... maybe Pedro could've got a W in it, and yeah, bring Foulke in with a 5-run lead, but not a tie game?

Pedro to become a GIANT? http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...SPGC778NVE1.DTL I had already been predicting this last week.

Bonds' comments may have had some credibility if 1.) he had actually been to Boston and experienced racism or 2.) said this pre-1990s/Mo Vaughn era. It's also kind of dissapointing because the thought of him going to Boston actually crossed my mind with all the money that will be freed up this offseason. A lineup including Ortiz, Manny and Bonds?

Man am I getting tired of these 1st inning breakdowns by Pedro... those runs COUNT TOO, PEDRO! Geez us, ERA now at 3.90 -- even worse, the Sox LOSE. @ Bonds offensively and defensively in this series... only comforting feeling of the game: 0 for 3 with a K against Pedro.

Yeah, it just bounced right off of him... http://www.sacbee.com/ips_rich_content/810-0530bonds.jpg

Randy Johnson didn't back down either. Although he didn't strike him out, he hit him in the chest with a 96 mph fastball. I don't know about Pedro, but I'm scared to death of Bonds. He can't let him ruin this nice little run. He needs to find a way to get him out. Anyone remember the Bonds/Gagne match up in April? Bonds hooked a 100 mph fastball just foul into McCovey's cove and on the next pitch he smashed one at 101 mph straight to dead center.

Oh my god am I relieved to wake up and see that Lowe pitched 7 scoreless - Wow. He better knock it off... or I may start expecting these kinds of outings every time. San Fran is going to be an interesting series.

Looks like Lou actually has a shot to come through on his guarantee. Still a long way to go.

I'm expecting the worst, honestly. I now only expect to win when Pedro or Schilling are on the hill. That's 2 out of every 5 games... may be even fewer if Schilling goes out. That's how bad it is right now. I also expect Bonds to rip us apart this weekend and Schmidt to throw a shutout on Sunday.

Can back that up with numbers.. Pedro ERA vs. League 1998: 2.89 - 4.66 1999: 2.07 - 4.87 2000: 1.74 - 4.92 2001: 2.39 - 4.48 2002: 2.26 - 4.47 2003: 2.22 - 4.53 The year before his arrival in Boston he posted a 1.90 ERA in 241 IP for Montreal compared to the league average of 4.21. He's lead the majors in ERA five of the last 7 seasons.

Excellent post as usual, JMD. I had actually forgot why I even had any beef with Nomar - It was the CONTRACT that he turned down, of course!

The funny thing about that SportsPlus show was that the one guy who said he'd take Clemens, DuPont, also said that we'll probably see a lot more pitchers like Pedro. Right... please tell me when a pitcher that weighs 165 pounds soaking wet can spot a 98 mph fastball. Much less, break all of the standards of dominance Pedro has set. They also have to pitch half their games at Fenway.

From The Herald: http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view...articleid=32196 Uhh... music to my ears. I hope he gets even more pissed off. Especially when Pedro is saying all these great things... re-sign Tek, Petey, Pokey and Swilly and the Sox will be swell. We can use the extra $11.5 or whatever he making as well as Lowe's salary and the $3-4 M dip Pedro will take on his new contract. I'll chew on that, Silverman... and you had better keep defending Pedro.

Don't worry, Clemens isn't winning any Cy Young this season. Anytime he's faced a team twice, he's gotten absolutely hammered. He'll continue to face familiar teams and keep getting hit hard. Jason Schmidt, Randy Johnson, Tom Glavine and Carlos Zambrano will all put up much better seasons.

Unlike probably the rest of you, I didn't go straight to bed after last night's utterly disgusting loss to the Rockies. In fact, I couldn't sleep at all, which is why I'll be able to run my mouth like a lunatic on this extremely interesting discussion (at least to me). After all the postgame stuff, SportsPlus came on... I'm sure you've seen it on NESN at one point or the other where Bob Lobel and a couple guys from the The Globe will come in and talk New England sports. So anyway, the topic of the show was on Pedro and Clemens, and which one had produced better results in a Sox uniform. Lobel seemed to go both ways, because he's supposed to be objective. DuPont said he'd take Clemens and said a bunch of rather retarded things about Pedro that I don't want to hear again. The CHB on the other hand, to my complete surprise, said he would take Pedro simply because of how dominant he was in 1999-2000. On Boston.com, they had an open poll asking the same question, and although I'm not sure where it stands now, this was the result after my vote was casted: Which pitcher has produced better results in a Red Sox uniform? Pedro Martinez 50.0% Roger Clemens 50.0% Total votes: 13,444 That is unbelievable but yet, not surprising at all. Obviously, you probably know which way I'm going to sway on this debate, but first let me say that as much as I love Pedro, I'll also be the very first one to criticize him when he has a bad performance or when he comes out and says something completely retarded. On the flip side, I'll also be the first to tell you that he's the God of the Universe and all that nonsense. Also, I've already made some rather negative posts about Clemens, but I'll say that I have a tremendous amount of respect for his pitching talent, and that what he accomplished in Boston is undeniable greatness. He could very well be the best right-hander of the last 75 years as Schilling called him. However, this debate is about who was a better pitcher for the RED SOX. What Clemens accomplished from '97 on has no bearing in this discussion. Being born in 1987, it would be pretty obvious that I didn't see all too much of Rocket in his Boston heyday. I always loved baseball, but I didn't start following the Red Sox with a life-and-death attitude until the summer of '98 - Pedro's first season as a Red Sox. Coincidence. Pedro (1998-2003) GS 168 WL 101-28 WPCT .783 ERA 2.26 WHIP 0.94 IP 1,166.2 CG 21 K 1,456 BB 248 K/BB 5.87 K/9 IP 11.23 H/9 IP 6.56 BB/9 IP 1.91 BR/9 IP 8.95 Rocket (1984-1996) GS 382 WL 192-111 WPCT .634 ERA 3.06 WHIP 1.16 IP 2,776.0 CG 100 K 2,590 BB 856 K/BB 3.03 K/9 IP 8.40 H/9 IP 7.65 BB/9 IP 2.78 BR/9 IP 10.70 There are some looney's out there that love looking at the quantitative statistics - the ones that are gradually built up over long periods of time: Wins, Innings Pitched, Strikeouts. They also don't like to seem to look at anything else! These are obviously the people who voted Clemens on that poll because let's face it - Clemens was never as dominant as Pedro at his peak, and really the only reason his quantitative numbers overpower Pedro's is because maybe he's started 214 more games? Maybe because... Pedro hasn't started HALF the amount that Roger did in Boston yet? Maybe because... Roger was a Red Sox pitcher for 13 years and Pedro is just entering his 7th? And yet, the numbers are still comparable. Again, people will look at that and say: "Rocket had more wins, innings and strikeouts. Debate over." -- Now obviously, 100 complete games to 21 is something Pedro isn't going to catch up to with ANY amount of starts. But the wins, the strikeouts... he can pile those up pretty well if he gets another 3 years in Boston beyond 2004. Clemens is known as the heir to Nolan Ryan as far as strikeout pitchers are concerned... Clemens has 1,134 more strikeouts in a Red Sox uniform than Pedro does. However, he also has 186 fewer K's than IP. Pedro has 289 MORE strikeouts than IP. He has struckout almost 3 more batters per 9 IP than Roger did. Clemens has 68 career double figure strikeout games as a Red Sox... Pedro has 66 through 2003. Did I mention Clemens has started 214 MORE GAMES? 214 more games... yet Pedro also has just 91 fewer wins. His ERA is lower by almost an entire run. The Adjusted ERA is just a laughable comparison. Looking all across the board - Win Percentage, WHIP, K-to-BB ratio, K's per 9, Hits per 9, Walks per 9, baserunners per 9 as well as Opp. AVG, OBP, SLG and OPS... I didn't mention mention those because it's a TKO. He has gotten so many undeserved "losses" and "no-decisions" yet he has the best winning percentage of any one pitcher in history for a single franchise; min. 100 decisions. I would take Pedro on 1999-2000 alone... simply the most dominant pitching. Ever. Please, please ask me to prove it. Just for the fun of it, here's a description of each game Pedro and Rocket were matched up against each other: The first time they went head to head was in the ALCS on October 16, 1999. Clemens lasted only two-plus innings and allowed five runs on six hits and two walks. Martinez pitched seven scoreless innings and struck out 12 as the Red Sox pummeled their arch rivals 13-1 at Fenway Park. The second head-to-head confrontation took place on May 28, 2000. Martinez outdueled Clemens in a 2-0 Red Sox victory, tossing a complete game shutout while scattering four hits and striking out nine. Clemens also pitched a complete game, allowing only five hits while striking out a season high 13 batters. Trot Nixon hit a two-run home run with two outs in the top of the ninth inning to beat Clemens and the Yankees. After hitting two batters just to make it interesting, Pedro induced Tino Martinez to ground out to second with the bases loaded to end the game with a 97 mph fastball on his 128th pitch of the night to put the Red Sox in first place. The third matchup occurred less than three weeks later on June 14, 2000 but failed to fulfill the excitement of the previous game as "The Rocket" left the game after only one inning with a strained groin, an injury that placed him on the disabled list the following day. Pedro went six innings and allowed one run and struck out 10 Yankees but did not get credit for the victory as Boston rallied late to defeat New York, 2-1. Clemens and Martinez paired up again on April 14, 2001. The Yankees won, 3-2, but Martinez (7 IP, 2 R, 9 K) out pitched Clemens (6 IP, 2 R, 5 K) again. However, neither pitcher figured in the decision because of the anemic Boston offense and their Anti-Pedro Run Support ways. On October 11 2003, Roger Clemens did something that he’d never done in his illustrious career – He actually beat Pedro Martinez. In his last start at Fenway Park, Clemens went 6 innings, allowing 3 ER while Martinez struggled early and took the loss with a 7 inning, 4 ER performance. On October 16, 2003 in Game 7 of the ALCS, Clemens went back to his old tricks by not showing up to face Pedro and left after 3 stank innings. Martinez was able to dominate through the first 6 innings with a fastball topping out at 90 mph because his pitches had wicked location and movement. It wasn't until the 7th did he unleash his 95 mph fastball, blowing it by a very, very confused Alfonso Soriano. He would pitch 7 1/3 innings of 2-run ball before Gump Little went absolutely insane and let Pedro continue to pitch past a mark in which batters hit .370 against him. It would go down as the most pathetic "comeback" in the history of baseball. Please at least give a brief explanation of your choice... no vote-and-run business. http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/pg2/2001/0531/photo/s_clemens_i.jpghttp://www.projo.com/sharedcontent/east/newballgame/content/L_IMAGE.f6fae7d570.93.88.fa.80.3ecb0a2c.jpg

No s***, dude. I'm too young to die! I'm also SICK of Terry Francona and his inane interviews and "Let's go Get 'Em!" attitude. F**k that! This team needs to go back to learning fundamentals and Terry needs to watch a tape of Game 7. How in the world can you let Curt start the 6th with the way he's been struggling all night and NOT already have guys warming. He needs to stop catering to him and worrying about getting him upset... Pull his ass out of the game! Who cares if Curt GOT you the job, Terry. You have it now and can do what you please.... and that scares me, actually.

Wow! Great stop there Nomar! Pokey could've done cartwheels blindfolded and still of made that play.

A single, Nomar? You owe a couple long balls right now, buddy. I don't want to hear that he just got back... so why the hell isn't he still in Pawtucket sharpening up on his defense? Because we need him right now? He's doing more harm than good.

That is what Nomar ALMOST accomplished last Sunday. This time he makes Curt his victim. I MISS POKEY. HE CAN HIT BETTER RIGHT NOW TOO. This is a Fukking joke. Why weren't there guys warming as soon as Schilling went out for the 6th? I don't think there is any need for an MRI... just put him on the DL now. DAMMIT!

Varitek strikes out on an 88 mph fastball. Sox leave them loaded. Schilling has allowed 4 ER through 4 and also walked 4. The Sox still haven't scored more than 3 runs in a game during this series. The MFY's are winning. This blows nasty Yankee ass.