Pivetta: minor league arms, 15-20 on a team's prospect list maybe. Jansen: less than Pivetta, maybe one arm or minor league everyday guy or young MLB reliever with upside.Originally Posted by moonslav59
Pivetta: minor league arms, 15-20 on a team's prospect list maybe. Jansen: less than Pivetta, maybe one arm or minor league everyday guy or young MLB reliever with upside.
I think more. Look what we got for Vaz.
Of course, I'm assuming both Pivetta & Jansen continue doing well and stay healthy.
I think Pivetta gets us 4-7 prospect, depending on how good the farm is.
I think Jansen gets about the same, especially if a team is desperate for a closer.
O'Neill and Martin might not get much, unless they inpressin the next 6-7 weeks.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
For Vaz, we got two guys ranked in the 20's on another team's prospect list. They wanted a starting catcher as they headed towards a World Series push. There's no way Jansen gets a top 5 prospect. I'm very dubious Pivetta would either. If I'm the Sox, I'd rather take a 12 and a 14 from a team for Pivetta than get a 6 or 7.
Top 7 prospects on many contenders is not all that good.
BTW, BA had Valdez 12 and Abreu 21, but some felt Abreu was the better prospect. (I'm not asking for 2 prospects.)
BTW, Vaz was not their starting catcher after the trade.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
The GM wanted him to be the starting catcher. The manager disagreed and wanted to stick with Maldonado (0.4 bWAR vs Vaz 2.1 bWAR with Red Sox that year). The disagreement was part of a public dispute which in turn helped lead the GM out the door in the offseason. Owner was squashing trades and the manager was not playing acquired players. Click decided he wanted no part of Astros culture.
After the trade, Vaz had 108 PA's, Maldonado had 114.
Those 108 included 8 PAs as a PH and 4 as a DH.
GMs wishes aside, he was not really the starting Catcher.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
more likely we stand pat as we are still in contention
Biggio is better than what we are using at 2b right now. the price for him is about right for Henry
I always liked Christian Vazquez. He is a good, solid catcher from the Molina school of catching. Always known as a really good teammate. He also is a winner. A guy who is an asset to his team. I think his teammates and fans were more upset about the way his trade was handled than they were about the actual deal.
Old school is good school.
The notification of the trade was indeed a fiasco.
We traded him at the right time. He was about to decline.
His numbers with pitchers, when compared to his back-up, were worrisome, to say the least.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
we are better off just keeping Pivetta rather than getting a low ranked prospect. He is generally durable and if he is a #4-5 guy we could do worse and he should come pretty cheap and on a short term deal. The other 3- I take whatever we can get for them and hopefully Breslow targets pitching in return.
Last edited by Randy Red Sox; 06-10-2024 at 07:11 PM.
I'm not sure why we only get a low ranked prospect for Pivetta, unless he struggles between now and the deadline.
Since May 25th, 2023 (over a year ago) only 10 pitchers have an ERA- better than Nick's 72 (102 pitchers with 130+ IP)
For the FIP fans, this might blow you away: xFIP- leaders since 5/28/23:
62 Skubal
63 Glasnow
71 Pivetta
71 Webb
72 Strider
SIERA
2.72 Skubal
2.83 Pivetta
2.88 Glasnow
3.04 Strider
His 2.7 fWAR in this time is equal to Houck's.
I think you guys are undervaluing this guy.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
The Sox can deal him and extend him later. It’s not like Pivetta is in the running for a QO…
then why trade him?
FA after this year.
No brainer.
Extend him or trade him.
(We could even trade him, then re-sign him, this winter.)
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
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