“Bloated” for the Rays!Originally Posted by Bellhorn04
“Bloated” for the Rays!
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
I doubt they trade Vlad. Now that other legacy infielder whose name rhymes with a famous Star Wars bounty hunter? I could see him getting moved…
I have to be honest and say I'm skeptical of most trades, and here's why.
Story, Yoshida, Giolito, Sale, and maybe even Whitlock (with his new contract) were questionable investments. But right now, without those players, the Sox are in the hunt for the postseason. Indeed, the loss of starters Sale, Giolito, and Whitlock has resulted in the best Sox rotation in a long time.
Five years ago the 2019 Sox had the highest payroll in MLB and were loaded with talent: Mookie, Devers, JDM, Bogey, Vazquez, Leon, JBJ, Beni, Moreland, Holt, ERod, Workman, Sale, Price, Eovaldi, Porcello, et al. They won 84 games and did not make it to the postseason. In the latter half of the 2019 season DD was going to John Henry and telling him, "boss, I know we have the highest payroll in Baseball, but I need a bunch more money to keep Mookie and replace Sale and Price in the rotation while continuing to pay them."
Now here we are five years later, Devers is the only player left from the 2019 Sox, and the Sox are relying heavily on a bunch of no-names who are doing better than the 2019 Sox.
I can't believe the signed IG-88.
Needed more fWAR from their assassin role…
Both teams had the same record (43-37) at the 80 game point. But with this team, that record is a pleasant surprise, while in 2019 it was an abject disappointment…
Dengar has amounted a lot of fWAR over the years, but he's really past his prime at this point.
Perhaps more amazing is that Dalbec is second in 40 man roster seniority.
He was drafted in 2016, a couple years after Devers was an Int’l signing.
Pivetta is 3rd.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Absolutely fair statement. I think my point is still valid. High-priced players aren't necessarily terrible, but they do carry risks.
And yet you want to get rid of Pivetta AND Dalbec. Interesting.....
Dalbec, yes, along with 95% of this site.
On Pivetta, if we are to be sellers, yes, I’d trade all of our FAsbto be forvgg to he best return possible.
It looks less and less likely as we get closer to the deadline.
BTW, you ignored my posts about extending Pivetta, which I still would like to see done, at a reasonable cost.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
I like "abject disappointment" because I think it describes how John Henry felt. It could explain why he soured on DD and the notion that, to keep Mookie and replace Price and Sale, the Sox payroll, then the highest in MLB, would need to get a lot bigger.
Last edited by Maxbialystock; 06-28-2024 at 10:18 AM.
If Henry soured on DD because of one disappointing season out of 4, that would make him the most mercurial owner in history next to maybe George Steinbrenner at his worst.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Ok. That settles it. ..
Please reread what I wrote.
2019 was a disappointment, but the real grabber was that the very expensive 2019 Sox with the biggest payroll in MLB were going to need a large infusion of cash. First and foremost, Betts was about to be a free agent and the Dodgers were willing to provide a very competitive package. Second, Price and Sale had long and expensive contracts but were no longer viable starters. Price's cumulative WAR after 2019 was 1.2. Sale's (not including this season) was 2.7. So, in addition to paying them for several more years, John Henry would need to give DD a bunch more money to replace them in the rotation.
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