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Thread: May 31, 2024, Tigers @ Fenway, 7:10 pm

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPLENDIDSPLINTER View Post
    Houck is not only the best pitcher, by far, on the SOX and perhaps in the ML, he is also one tough cookie.
    My goodness, yes. Tough because he delivers. Tough because he gets little support--tonight was an exception--from the hitters. And tough because the defensive saboteurs are always lurking. That bad throw by Devers to 2b was pure inattention.

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    Houck goes 7, giving up 1, and now has an ERA of 1.85, but is just 5-5.

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    Looks like Rafaela is going to keep that rbi lead a while longer. That he is doing so from the 9 spot in the lineup is remarkable.

    Sox back up to .500.

    However, tomorrow it's Criswell (ERA 3.96) vs. Olson (ERA 1.92), so big edge to the Tigers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    My goodness, yes. Tough because he delivers. Tough because he gets little support--tonight was an exception--from the hitters. And tough because the defensive saboteurs are always lurking. That bad throw by Devers to 2b was pure inattention.

    Also tough because he got hit in his pitching forearm by 101 mph come backer and he stayed in the game.

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    The Red Sox management will be regretting that they did not get a deal done with Houch when they have discussed contracts in recent years, as with the new level he has reached, he’s now a LOT more expensive to extend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscars View Post
    The Red Sox management will be regretting that they did not get a deal done with Houch when they have discussed contracts in recent years, as with the new level he has reached, he’s now a LOT more expensive to extend.
    That's true, but I don't know how they were supposed to see this coming, either. The last couple of years he hasn't been that good or that durable.

    These are not easy calls to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    That's true, but I don't know how they were supposed to see this coming, either. The last couple of years he hasn't been that good or that durable.

    These are not easy calls to make.
    Agreed, but we obviously thought we didn’t need more than Giolito, so they must have had some faith in him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Agreed, but we obviously thought we didn’t need more than Giolito, so they must have had some faith in him.
    I'm sure they had high hopes. I think that would apply to most of their moves and non-moves.

    Houck has been fantastic, that much is indisputable, and I'm sure Bailey and the rest of the pitching brain trust get a lot of credit for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I'm sure they had high hopes. I think that would apply to most of their moves and non-moves.

    Houck has been fantastic, that much is indisputable, and I'm sure Bailey and the rest of the pitching brain trust get a lot of credit for that.
    This begs the question on our past pitching gurus. Did we have other Houcks in the past, but bumbled their development and choice of pitching strategy?

    We’ve heard a lot about how poorly our system has been at acquiring and developing young pitchers, but now, we seem to have a few very promising arms. Most are the same guys we had before, when we said we sucked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Agreed, but we obviously thought we didn’t need more than Giolito, so they must have had some faith in him.
    Giolito should opt out, since he blew out his elbow under Bailey's tutelage. And that way, the Red Sox can add another $19 million to any extension offers for Houck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    This begs the question on our past pitching gurus. Did we have other Houcks in the past, but bumbled their development and choice of pitching strategy?

    We’ve heard a lot about how poorly our system has been at acquiring and developing young pitchers, but now, we seem to have a few very promising arms. Most are the same guys we had before, when we said we sucked.
    Really hard to say. Bailey seems to be pretty elite at what he does. But he's not a miracle-worker, either. A lot of this might just be Houck reaching maturity and being 100% healthy.
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    And Saturday’s lineup has Dom Smith hitting third. I’ll have to find something else to do.
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    Chaim, you are in the big leagues now. Drawing 10,000 fans a game is not going to cut it, and people don’t buy tickets to Fenway to talk about the Farm

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    "Relief pitchers are a crapshoot." No, the truth is "Crapshoot pitchers are relievers."

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    Houck always has the stuff to succeed. Let’s hope that he is durable. He could be a good #1.
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    Chaim, you are in the big leagues now. Drawing 10,000 fans a game is not going to cut it, and people don’t buy tickets to Fenway to talk about the Farm

    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    "Relief pitchers are a crapshoot." No, the truth is "Crapshoot pitchers are relievers."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscars View Post
    The Red Sox management will be regretting that they did not get a deal done with Houch when they have discussed contracts in recent years, as with the new level he has reached, he’s now a LOT more expensive to extend.
    Commentary from the cheap seats. They didn't get a deal done with Houch because he was never on the Sox roster.

    As for Houck, as recently as last season there were discussions about whether he could successfully face a lineup a third time--to say nothing of the fact that last year his ERA was 5.01 in 21 starts.

    This year he's like he ducked into a phone booth and emerged as SuperHouck. His repertoire is bigger and his pitches are way sharper. And his ERA is an insane 1.85.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Agreed, but we obviously thought we didn’t need more than Giolito, so they must have had some faith in him.
    Fairly amazing that the one starting pitcher Breslow signs turns out to be the one who never pitches even one inning in competition for the Sox.

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