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View Poll Results: Are the extensions good or bad?

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  • Both extensions are good for the Sox

    6 46.15%
  • Both extensions are overpays

    4 30.77%
  • Bello’s is good, Rafaela’s is an overpay

    3 23.08%
  • Bello’s an overpay, Rafaela’s is good

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    Crawford I would get. But I feel like Houck is close enough to bet on himself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boodgyman5220 View Post
    Crawford I would get. But I feel like Houck is close enough to bet on himself?
    When you are a pitcher, one pitch could end your career. Signing a life changing contract vs betting on yourself isn't always an easy decision.
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    Rafaela currently has a higher OPS than Verdugo.

    Rafaela 686
    Verdugo 659
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Rafaela currently has a higher OPS than Verdugo.

    Rafaela 686
    Verdugo 659
    He's a better defender, too, and his ability to play SS and 2B make him way better than Dugo.

    The money saved on Dugo could be justification for the O'Neill trade, but that is not really a fact.

    Whether Weissert of Fitts amount to anything, I like these two deals, combined:

    Dugo, Robertson & Santos
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    O'Neill, Weissert, Fitts (8th ranked soxprospect.com) and Judice
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    He's a better defender, too, and his ability to play SS and 2B make him way better than Dugo.

    The money saved on Dugo could be justification for the O'Neill trade, but that is not really a fact.

    Whether Weissert of Fitts amount to anything, I like these two deals, combined:

    Dugo, Robertson & Santos
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    O'Neill, Weissert, Fitts (8th ranked soxprospect.com) and Judice
    -5 DRS at SS, -8 OAA

    Rafaela should NOT be playing SS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    -5 DRS at SS, -8 OAA

    Rafaela should NOT be playing SS.
    Raf Man has been more than fine at SS despite your stats that you obviously need over watching the games, and the comments from many observers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    -5 DRS at SS, -8 OAA

    Rafaela should NOT be playing SS.
    Agreed, but it still is a plus that he can play MI, when needed.

    I think he might improve, overtime, there, but I hope we never need him there, longterm, again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    -5 DRS at SS, -8 OAA

    Rafaela should NOT be playing SS.
    Well, the problem is anyone else on this roster would probably be much worse…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    Raf Man has been more than fine at SS despite your stats that you obviously need over watching the games, and the comments from many observers.
    He has not been fine.

    7 errors in 411 innings prorates to 22 over a full year. That's a bad Raffy Devers year. He's a bad SS even if you get past the advanced stats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Well, the problem is anyone else on this roster would probably be much worse…
    Ok?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    He has not been fine.

    7 errors in 411 innings prorates to 22 over a full year. That's a bad Raffy Devers year. He's a bad SS even if you get past the advanced stats.
    No doubt he’s better in CF, but I guess Cora must be a bad manager for keep putting him out there. Like I said i judge on a game by game basis, and not how he prorates over a full year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Ok?
    It means we want him on that wall! We need him on that wall! Plan B right now is Hamilton…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Red View Post
    No doubt he’s better in CF, but I guess Cora must be a bad manager for keep putting him out there. Like I said i judge on a game by game basis, and not how he prorates over a full year.
    Cora didn’t have very many options for SS. He has Rafaela, Hamilton, and maybe Romy Gonzalez. All things considered, Rafaela is the best choice there. But there’s a decent chance this is one position the Sox do upgrade at over the next week…

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    He has not been fine.

    7 errors in 411 innings prorates to 22 over a full year. That's a bad Raffy Devers year. He's a bad SS even if you get past the advanced stats.
    You know errors does not tell the whole story, but when every metric shows he is a significant minus on D at SS, I agree. He should be our CF'er and maybe emergency MI'er.

    His time at 2B has been very limited, but his metrics there are from zero (OAA and DRS) to plus on UZR/150 (+6.3.)
    When you say it's gonna happen now
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Cora didn’t have very many options for SS. He has Rafaela, Hamilton, and maybe Romy Gonzalez. All things considered, Rafaela is the best choice there. But there’s a decent chance this is one position the Sox do upgrade at over the next week…
    I agree Cora doesn’t have many good options, and that Raf Man is the best choice he has, but I doubt a defensive upgrade will be added to the position unless Story comes back, as there is the number of options good, or bad already.

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