Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh
That was always the primary criticism of Sale, as well...
That was always the primary criticism of Sale, as well...
With good reason ultimately.
WAR is good for something.
Yeah, the critics in the armchairs always know what's what.
What if there was no other way for Sale to pitch and be successful?
Plus even with all the injuries, he's 9th among active pitchers in career innings.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
That's not the point. We're making a factual statement here. Sale is an inverted W pitcher, as presented by some pitching "gurus" way back when he was a prospect. Inverted W mechanics are usually the precursor of eventual TJS surgery. If anything, Sale stayed healthy way longer than what the "experts" predicted.Yeah, the critics in the armchairs always know what's what.
What if there was no other way for Sale to pitch and be successful?
Plus even with all the injuries, he's 9th among active pitchers in career innings.
WAR is good for something.
So what, though?
Pitching is a high risk profession, period.
Would Sale have had a better career with different mechanics? Can anyone honestly say?
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
No, but that wasn't the point anyone was trying to make. Just a reminder of something to watch out for. I mean, it's a valid discussion IMO.
WAR is good for something.
And we saw what happened there. We have him for 4 more years through his age 32 season, I'm comfortable riding those out.
OK. It's just that we're kind of through the looking glass now when it comes to pitching injuries. They pretty much all get injured now at some point.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Fine, but a run like Sale had with injuries is far from typical. I mean, who breaks a rib throwing a pitch?
Bernardino 1.4 bWAR
Bello 0.5 bWAR
... or swinging a bat, Tris (maybe not bone, but at least tissue)!
He leads the Sox in rbi's with 28--batting 9th. He gets excellent reads in the outfield and has terrific speed--and he's a pretty fair SS. He's an everyday player, which is a rarity on the 2024 Sox. The Sox are ranked 10th in MLB in SB's with 45, and 25 of those are by Duran (11), Rafaela (7), and Abreu (7), the Sox outfield.
His OPS, .602, is tepid, and he leads the Sox in errors with 8, but I believe he is an asset in the lineup and in the field.
That 1.4 is a very high WAR for any reliever after one-third of the games. Entire seasons for bullpen guys rarely reach 3 WAR (good starting pitchers often double that or more, because of the proportion of batters faced and innings pitched).
Clase, who leads the AL in saves, has a 1.8 bWAR. Suarez, who just struck out 13 straight in SD, is 1.7...
Mason Miller, the A's rookie who rules the world, has a 1.2 bWAR.... Yankee closer Holmes is 0.8.
RBI isn't a sustainable stat.
Lou Gehrig was able to sustain driving in 100 or more runs in 13 straight years before a deadly illness ended his repeated annual production.
He must have some kind of consistent RBI ability, since the guy who batted right in front of him also had 100 or more ribbies 13 times, and wasn't always on base in front of Lou after knocking himself in with the most home runs in history for about half a century.
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