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  • Both extensions are good for the Sox

    6 46.15%
  • Both extensions are overpays

    4 30.77%
  • Bello’s is good, Rafaela’s is an overpay

    3 23.08%
  • Bello’s an overpay, Rafaela’s is good

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk7326 View Post
    Maybe - but it is hard to see how either of those deals won't end up positive value for the team.
    Many have probably forgotten bout the 5 year $25mill extension given to this former Sox player

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...ansimi01.shtml

    And that was back in the late 1990's, when that was not exactly utility infielder money...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    He's been contributing some on offense too, no?
    661 OPS is some I guess?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    661 OPS is some I guess?
    The OPS has been going up. He has pop and he has speed.
    Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1

    The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    The OPS has been going up. He has pop and he has speed.
    It's nice that it's going up. Being under 600 was less than ideal!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    The OPS has been going up. He has pop and he has speed.
    He has soda and amphetamines??!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    The OPS has been going up. He has pop and he has speed.
    .818 in his last 103 PAs or one month.

    While that sample size is still kinda small, it’s a big chunk of 2024.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    It's nice that it's going up. Being under 600 was less than ideal!
    It was .546 over a 148 PA sample size, which is a longer stretch than this recent good stretch, but the recency factor is often used on this site.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Rafaela's xWOBA is 259 or bottom 3% in the league. All offensive stats are bottom third or worse (most bottom fifth). He's been lucky in this recent stretch IMO.

    818 over the past 103 PA's, but if you break it down:

    1040 last 43 PA's
    663 previous 60 PA's

    He's really just been on a roll since the Phillies series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Rafaela's xWOBA is 259 or bottom 3% in the league. All offensive stats are bottom third or worse (most bottom fifth). He's been lucky in this recent stretch IMO.

    818 over the past 103 PA's, but if you break it down:

    1040 last 43 PA's
    663 previous 60 PA's

    He's really just been on a roll since the Phillies series.
    Good data dig.

    With his glove, I think .663 is okay.

    I think he will improve as he ages.

    I won’t mention rbis because it is not a skill set.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Good data dig.

    With his glove, I think .663 is okay.

    I think he will improve as he ages.

    I won’t mention rbis because it is not a skill set.
    The thing is he has been terrible at SS defensively while as advertised in CF ... and I imagine that has hurt some of his development all around. I don't blame the Sox for doing it - Cora is trying to win games - but it is what it is.

    If he stays at CF full time and can put up a .700 OBP with the power he has, that's a solid starter. He is also a guy who HAS shown improvement at each stop up the ladder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Good data dig.

    With his glove, I think .663 is okay.

    I think he will improve as he ages.

    I won’t mention rbis because it is not a skill set.
    I agree about RBI and I do hope he figures it out and can be more than a #9 hitter. I believe more in Rafaela than Bello.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sk7326 View Post
    The thing is he has been terrible at SS defensively while as advertised in CF ... and I imagine that has hurt some of his development all around. I don't blame the Sox for doing it - Cora is trying to win games - but it is what it is.

    If he stays at CF full time and can put up a .700 OBP with the power he has, that's a solid starter. He is also a guy who HAS shown improvement at each stop up the ladder.
    Well said. Despite his batting approach, he has kept surprising people with decent offensive numbers. They kept saying, wait till AA, wait till…

    No doubt, MLB is a tougher cookie to crack, but he seems to find ways.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I agree about RBI and I do hope he figures it out and can be more than a #9 hitter. I believe more in Rafaela than Bello.
    Bello has done nothing to help his projections.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Bello

    Lasts 8 starts

    10.6% walk rate - 75th of 78 qualifiers during that stretch

    .311 OBA - 77th

    1.79 WHIP - 78th

    7.49 ERA - 78th

    5.14 FIP - 69th
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
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    Bello

    Lasts 8 starts

    10.6% walk rate - 75th of 78 qualifiers during that stretch

    .311 OBA - 77th

    1.79 WHIP - 78th

    7.49 ERA - 78th

    5.14 FIP - 69th
    Interesting and probably valid. My only new thought is that historically the Sox minor league system has not been good at developing good young starters, especially during the JH era. Thus the hefty contracts to bring in starters from elsewhere.

    So maybe Bello is about par for the course.

    Given the new Boston pitching coach, it's worth noting that in his first 5 starts this season Bello went 26.2 innings while giving up 9 ER's for an ERA of 3.04.

    Then he went on the IL for 3 weeks. When he returned on May 12, his ERA for May was 5.66 and for June 8.25. He has pitched the 3d most innings on the Sox, 71.1, and has the 3d most starts, 14.

    His last 2 starts were both against the Jays. On the earlier start, he went 6 innings, giving up 2 runs--a quality start. Maybe the Jays learned something in the game 1.

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