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Thread: A Realistic View of 2024: Part II

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    2016: Moncada, Espinoza, Benintendi
    2017: Benintendi, Moncada, Kopech, Espinoza

    Before 2017, Benintendi and Moncada were ranked 1 and 2 by both Baseball America and MLB…

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    One thing I liked about DD was that he essentially said that enough time spent in AA was good enough to make a jump straight to the majors.
    I write fictional stories in my spare time. So don't fact check me. Better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Getting Chris Sale for Moncada and Espinoza was a great trade. Contract extension is a separate issue.

    If I recall, DD got a quick look at Moncada playing third and knew immediately he could be replaced by Devers. Moncada was a second baseman but Pedey was there.

    Moon and I were more concerned about the 'ceiling' of Espinoza, but he essentially got hurt and his development slowed.
    At the time of the trade, Devers had only gotten as far as Salem. I don't think DD had seen Devers at the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    One thing I liked about DD was that he essentially said that enough time spent in AA was good enough to make a jump straight to the majors.
    Back then it was true. They have fundamentally changed that dynamic by getting rid of short season and reducing the amount of players allowed in an organization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    2017: Benintendi, Moncada, Kopech, Espinoza

    Before 2017, Benintendi and Moncada were ranked 1 and 2 by both Baseball America and MLB…
    Moncada and Kopech were traded December 2016.

    Not sure Kopech popped high on lists as a prospect until 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    At the time of the trade, Devers had only gotten as far as Salem. I don't think DD had seen Devers at the point.
    Or at least wasn’t making decisions about the MLB roster based on him.

    At that time, the Sox still had Pablo Sandoval locked up for 4 more years…
    Last edited by notin; 06-27-2024 at 08:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Moncada and Kopech were traded December 2016.

    Not sure Kopech popped high on lists as a prospect until 2017.
    It was more of a question of whether or not the lists came out before the trade. 2016 Kopech was ranked on BA and BP, but not top 40…
    Last edited by notin; 06-27-2024 at 08:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Moncada and Kopech were traded December 2016.

    Not sure Kopech popped high on lists as a prospect until 2017.
    Kopech had serious helium at that point. I think he ranked somewhere around 22 (lets see how close I am without looking it up) but that was one of the first set of rankings that came up after they trade and he had been in their system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Or at least wasn’t making decisions about the MLB roster based on him.

    At that time, the Sox still had Pablo Sandoval locked up for 4 more years…
    4 more years or lock him up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    Kopech had serious helium at that point. I think he ranked somewhere around 22 (lets see how close I am without looking it up) but that was one of the first set of rankings that came up after they trade and he had been in their system.
    Right, after. I think he had strong value which is why the deal got done. The question was specifically ranked prospects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    4 more years or lock him up?
    All the rage in 2016…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Or at least wasn’t making decisions about the MLB roster based on him.

    At that time, the Sox still had Pablo Sandoval locked up for 4 more years…
    Pablo might have been locked up, but he busted out in Spring Training.

    It was on the beltway around Fort Myers -- gut instinct...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Pablo might have been locked up, but he busted out in Spring Training.

    It was on the beltway around Fort Myers -- gut instinct...
    He was locked up. You cannot stop Kung Fu Panda; you can only hope to contain him.

    Which is usually done by pointing him towards the closest buffet. That can contain him for hours…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    All the rage in 2016…
    Gotta play all the old hits from time to time. Pokemon Go to the polls!
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Gonzalez? Did you mean Valdez?
    Romy Gonzalez, whose WAR is currently +0.7 after just 26 games. Valdez is -0.3.

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