Sam is not your man?🙈Originally Posted by mvp 78
Sam is not your man?🙈
I think they would have still had Whitlock, Winck, Houck, et al prep for the rotation and Whitlock would've earned a spot ahead of Houck.
The worst pitcher of the bunch since ST started.
Casas' extension should be less than Bello's. 1b's just don't get paid all that much, especially guys that don't field all that well. If they went year to year with him for a few more years, I don't think it would kill the budget. Seems like Casas is looking at a sky high budget when I'm not sure he's earned it yet.
I'd offer 6/66 with a team option for a seventh year at 22.5M. Anything more than that is throwing money away IMO.
True.
They are just $14M above the league average (spotrac,) but those big spending teams really warp the numbers. (I guess the A's do, too.)
We are $35M from second tier (#16 in MLB.)
Add $35M and we'd only move up one slot to #10 and still $22M from #9 CHC..
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
It will be interesting to watch how this all works out.
Hard to call #16 "second tier." There are clearly quite a few tiers in MLB right now.
1. NY teams
2. At or above CBT (#3 Astros - #10 Giants)
3. Under CBT (#11 Sox - #17 M's)
4. Well under the CBT (#18 ChiSox - #28 Marlins)
5. Embarrassing (#29 Pirates and #30 A's)
Whitlock has a better repertoire, no question. But to me Houck is a battler. So I couldn't be happier that both are starting and that all 5 have done well in their first starts.
As I keep reminding everyone--ad nauseum--the 2019 Sox, fresh off the best season in Sox history, also started the season on the West Coast and went 3-8--and basically never recovered, at least not enough to even make the postseason.
Yes, you keep repeating that, but one reason the Red Sox got off to a bad start was because Cora didn’t have the team ready to play especially the pitching staff, which he ADMITTED, and learned from that.
One of Casas' most similar batters through age 23 is Mark Teixeira, per B-R.com.
Fifteen years ago, Tex did get an 8 yr / $180mill ($22.5mill AAV) deal from the Yankees. By the time he got that deal, 29yo Teixeira was more established than Casas is, and had won multiple Gold Gloves and Silver Sluggers. More recently, Freddie Freeman, a clear future Hall of Famer, was only getting 6 year / $162mill contract ($27.7mill AAV). Freeman was 32 years old, but had a Gold Glove, multiple Silver Sluggers and an MVP under his belt.
These are among the largest contracts ever awards to first basemen. So yes, they really don't break the bank anymore. Casas has age on his side, but also has less hardware than Evan White (4 yr $24mill contract with Seattle, now considered a bust). I don't see Casas breaking the bank. A six year deal like the one above would buy out all his arb years plus first two of free agency and take him to age his age 30 season. He certainly could wait it out and make more money, but an early deal like this buys him plenty of security, but might be better if it was a year shorter and allowed him to reach free agency before his age 30 season. A 29yo free agent just has more earning power.
I would agree an extension like this, but maybe 5 years before the option probably makes more sense for both sides...
Meh. He did have Sale and Price pitch fewer innings in ST because of all the IP the season before.
But what we learned that season is that Sale and Price were both sliding downhill. Both have been vastly overpaid since 2018. The real Porcello, the crappy one, also emerged and lasted just one more season (2020). Eovaldi wasn't much good despite the great 2d half of the 2018 season. ERod emerged as the new ace. And Kimbrel went to the Cubs in 2019--good riddance.
2019 was the season when, beyond any possible shadow of doubt, JH decided he'd had enough of paying the big bucks. So he fired DD and brought in Chaim Bloom of the Rays. However, JH still had to keep paying big bucks for Price, while he was playing for the Dodgers, and Sale, who went on the IL for several seasons.
Pretty good laydown except for #5. Rays, ranked 27th, have proven beyond any doubt that you can in fact do more with less even though their system has yet to produce a WS winner. The Pirates, ranked 29th, right now are undefeated. Their payroll is $83M vs the Rays $98M.
The A's @ $62M are the one bonafide embarrassment. So much for Moneyball.
I can agree with your divisions into 4 tiers, although spotrac has 11-19 over $128M.
According to spotrac, we are $21M from #10 SFG and $47M from #9 CHC. We are about $30M from being at the bottom of the 3rd or middle tier.
We are $60M from your 4th tier and $20M from your 2nd tier.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Some interesting career comps:
Pitch 1-25, 26-50, 51-75 and 76-100: RP & SP
.516>.653>.822>.830 Houck
.686>.605>.779>.923 Whitlock
AS SP: 1st PA, 2nd PA, 3rd PA
.566>.700>.949 Houck
.761>.660>>1.103 Whitlock
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
I could swear it was just last season when we all went round and round about whether Houck could ever get over the "3d time through the lineup" hump. As I recall, he did.
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