Does anyone disagree with this?Originally Posted by dgalehouse
Does anyone disagree with this?
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Absofuckinglutely, right now this trade doesn’t look good. Sale is much more valuable than Grissom.
This trade is all about the future, and I think there are some of us who just don’t want to jump on the criticism wagon yet with that in mind.
I do wonder if Breslow still makes this trade in hindsight given how Sale, and the Red Sox have performed this year.
Here's a simple way to express why trading Sale was not a good idea:
You don't trade off starting pitching unless you have a major surplus of it. The Red Sox clearly did not have a major surplus of it.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
As Cora keeps saying the future is right now 2024. I’d be very surprised if Grissom is penciled in as the Red Sox 2B for the next 5-6 yrs. Mayer is getting closer to possibly sometime next year, and you’ve still got 3 years left of Story Land’s contract. 2024 is what counts now, and 2025 can be worried about after this season is over.
And how exactly does Grissom fit into a 2025 infield that has Story, Mayer and a number of other candidates?
This trade makes less sense the more you think about it.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
it was ALL about dumping salary
Randy, that's all I can come up with too. It was all about that precious $10 million.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
With Bello and Pivetta now looking like crap, we're down to Houck and Crawford as reliable starters. And those two are getting into uncharted territory innings-wise. They're already trying to get Houck a bit more rest.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Well, if it was about dumping salary, why give $17mill and take back Grissom when you can include less money and get back a lesser prospect? Because despite what you think, Grissom was a highly regarded prospect at the time.
Also, if it was only about saving money, why spend on Giolito to replace Sale?
It seems obvious the Red Sox did not buy into Sale pitching 43 innings without any sort of injury as the indication that his health problems were clearly over and he was going to be able to pitch a full season. With the money to get the better prospect plus the money spent on Giolito to replace Sale, they didn’t save money. In fact, they would up spending about $7mill more…
Pretty simple. Breslow wanted to sign Giolito, but he couldn't do that, keep Sale and make his other desired moves and stay within the budget he was given.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
But why take back Grissom when you can include less money and take back a lesser prospect?
We all expected them to add starting pitching. What they actually did was subtract one and add one. And the guy they added had a 4.9 ERA over the last 2 seasons.
It was one more amazingly underwhelming offseason in the starting pitching department.
Of course the rotation got off to a great start this year and Bailey seemed to be a magician. But the magic has been wearing off.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Only Breslow knows all the whys and wherefores. Obviously somebody thought highly of Grissom.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
So what was the point of dropping Sale to add Giolito? Clearly not to save money, since keeping Sale was $7mill cheaper.
It seems to obvious to point out, but just because WE expected them to add starting pitching didn’t mean it was on their radar. And this Sale/Giolito swap also points out they really didn’t add anything. They swapped out two plsyers and spent money to do it…
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Red Sox team ERA by month:
March-April 2.62
May 4.12
June 4.33
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
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