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    Well, at least this guy is known to take the ball every 5 days, no matter what.

    IMO, the best part of this signing is that it keeps one of these guys in the pen:

    Houck
    Whitlock
    Crawford
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Lmfao!
    Circus continues with another beer leaguer signing

    You pink hats remember the Who tune, new boss same as the old boss?

    Somebody please start a “fire Breezelow thread”

    Crockett must have pictures

    Soto should have been the target, he would have signed an extension, player has eastern ct roots, Hampton to be exact

    Henry’s biggest mistake is John Henry, but hey, it’s only been 5 years since the last ring

    How did Epstein Francona Dombrowski do after they left yawkey way

    Garbage garbage garbage

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    The king troll returns!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    That’s how I feel.

    I hope to hell I’m wrong.

    I’m just sick of signing guys based on the hope the regain what they once had.

    Hey, we broke the$10M barrier for a SP! Not the guy I’d do it on.

    I would not be too upset, if he ends up as the second best SP we acquire, this winter, but I fear he the best we will add.
    Alex Speier: "the Red Sox seemingly landed a pitcher who can solidify the back of their rotation"

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5GoldGloves:OF,75 View Post
    Alex Speier: "the Red Sox seemingly landed a pitcher who can solidify the back of their rotation"
    I’ve always disliked building a rotation from back. Add a 1 or2 and push down what you have already.

    $19M is not chump change, although the short deal mitigates the risk a bit.

    That being said, I do prefer Giolito as a SP and Houck or Crawford in the pen than forcing one of them to try and start 30 games and 175 IP.


    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    The optimist view:
    167 GS since 2018 is 5th most in MLB. He’s been a horse.
    4.14 xFIP in that time places him in the middle.

    The pessimist view:
    4.48 ERA places him in the bottom third tier since ‘18.
    (That’s worse than Kluber,Matz, Paxton, Stroman and many others.)
    105 ERA- is still bottom third, as is his BB/K and HR/9.
    Last 2 year numbers are frightening:
    119 ERA- (100th out of 108- just barely above Kluber), but his 4.08 xFIP places 62nd.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
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    not enough obviously but I think one of the better short term options out there.

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    I’m usually big on the last 3 year sample size for players, although his trend is scary. Here is where Giolito has placed in some key categories since 2021:

    151 pitchers with 200+ IP

    6th in GS w 94
    45th in K-BB% at 17.9
    46th in fWAR at 6.9
    68th xFIP 3.97
    109 in ERA 4.43
    109 in ERA- at 106
    137 inHR/9 at 1.6

    If you divide 150 SPs by 5 starters per team, Giolito slots as a…
    #2 fWAR
    #3 xFIP
    #4 ERA-
    #5 HR/9


    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MADSTORK View Post
    Lmfao!
    Circus continues with another beer leaguer signing

    You pink hats remember the Who tune, new boss same as the old boss?

    Somebody please start a “fire Breezelow thread”

    Crockett must have pictures

    Soto should have been the target, he would have signed an extension, player has eastern ct roots, Hampton to be exact

    Henry’s biggest mistake is John Henry, but hey, it’s only been 5 years since the last ring

    How did Epstein Francona Dombrowski do after they left yawkey way

    Garbage garbage garbage
    Soto may sign an extension, but Henry couldn’t “afford” it.
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    I get MV Pee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I’m usually big on the last 3 year sample size for players, although his trend is scary. Here is where Giolito has placed in some key categories since 2021:

    151 pitchers with 200+ IP

    6th in GS w 94
    45th in K-BB% at 17.9
    46th in fWAR at 6.9
    68th xFIP 3.97
    109 in ERA 4.43
    109 in ERA- at 106
    137 inHR/9 at 1.6

    If you divide 150 SPs by 5 starters per team, Giolito slots as a…
    #2 fWAR
    #3 xFIP
    #4 ERA-
    #5 HR/9


    Pitchers are robots. His ‘23 split before and after his divorce being made public means nothing!
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    I get MV Pee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Pitchers are robots. His ‘23 split before and after his divorce being made public means nothing!
    Before being dealt to Anaheim, Giolito was worth 2.8bWAR. That half-season value would be third-highest on the Sox pitching staff for the full year, trailing only Martin and Bello…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Before being dealt to Anaheim, Giolito was worth 2.8bWAR. That half-season value would be third-highest on the Sox pitching staff for the full year, trailing only Martin and Bello…
    Not an ace, but not a 5th starter. I think he’ll end up being an ok midrotation guy. Need someone above Bello though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Not an ace, but not a 5th starter. I think he’ll end up being an ok midrotation guy. Need someone above Bello though!
    He will help. Most likely he is a mid-rotation guy. But there is a non-trivial (15-20%) he will be at least as good as Bello. If this is THE MOVE, boo ... but I do like the pickup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Pitchers are robots. His ‘23 split before and after his divorce being made public means nothing!
    The dreaded splitsville splits.
    Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1

    The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Not an ace, but not a 5th starter. I think he’ll end up being an ok midrotation guy. Need someone above Bello though!
    I think the bullpen of Jansen, Martin, Winckowski, Schreiber, Houck, Whitlock, Bernardino, Slaten, and Mata can cover for a lot of rotation mistakes…

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