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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    We already are, aren’t we?
    The lottery makes punting even more pointless than it was in 2021…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    The lottery makes punting even more pointless than it was in 2021…
    On that point it's pointless.

    But it still saves money and boosts the bottom line just as much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    On that point it's pointless.

    But it still saves money and boosts the bottom line just as much!
    Unless I’m right and there is something in those players that is better than you realize.

    Manaea was lights out through August/September in bulk relief/starter roles using multiple metrics. Keller has some topflight velocity someone needs to help straighten out. Like maybe someone who fixed Gausman. Chirinos was a solid pitcher prior to TJ. Urena is someone I’ve always felt should not be starting, but he has an elite arm. Fujinami throws 100mph.

    Nothing there? Not every player in MLB is going to be a call Star, but they all are among the 780 best players in the world. And any elite talent can shine in that environment…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    That wasn’t the part that was missing. (Hint: most likely what would be missing is Paxton in June, July and August.)
    Yes, one year contract- maybe one month of pitching.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Unless I’m right and there is something in those players that is better than you realize.

    Manaea was lights out through August/September in bulk relief/starter roles using multiple metrics. Keller has some topflight velocity someone needs to help straighten out. Like maybe someone who fixed Gausman. Chirinos was a solid pitcher prior to TJ. Urena is someone I’ve always felt should not be starting, but he has an elite arm. Fujinami throws 100mph.

    Nothing there? Not every player in MLB is going to be a call Star, but they all are among the 780 best players in the world. And any elite talent can shine in that environment…
    I think it's good that someone is able to maintain their optimism here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Yes, one year contract- maybe one month of pitching.
    Pass on Paxton. I’d prefer my list of Wretched Refuse that will show up for work…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I think it's good that someone is able to maintain their optimism here.
    That’s because so far they’ve only missed out on Sonny Gray.

    Ohtani and Yamamoto struck me as pipe dreams. And very risky ones at that.

    I was never high on Nola, but he clearly preferred to stay in Philly.

    So… just Gray, who I was high on.

    Everyone else is still out there. Unless you really like Wacha, who, if he were unsigned and on my list, would you still call it punting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Pass on Paxton. I’d prefer my list of Wretched Refuse that will show up for work…
    I’m not so sure about more playing time, but more likely, yes.

    Hey, why not just throw the ML ready kids out there and get a better read on who to keep around for the big push in ‘26?

    Dalbec
    Gambrell
    Murphy & Walter’s last look
    DHam
    Rafaela & Abreu
    Kelly and Guerrero
    Slaten and Mata
    See if Crawford can start 29+ games

    Punting can serve other purposes besides better draft picks and bonus pool monies.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    That’s because so far they’ve only missed out on Sonny Gray.

    Ohtani and Yamamoto struck me as pipe dreams. And very risky ones at that.

    I was never high on Nola, but he clearly preferred to stay in Philly.

    So… just Gray, who I was high on.

    Everyone else is still out there. Unless you really like Wacha, who, if he were unsigned and on my list, would you still call it punting?
    Gray and ERod or Gray and Wacha would have given a glimmer of hope, assuming we also make a nice upgrade at 2B.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    What exactly is the benefit? Besides saving money?

    Greater chances in the draft lottery that might help the 2028 team?
    You answered your own question, no? More money in ownership pockets--the sole purpose of all businesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Everyone else is still out there. Unless you really like Wacha, who, if he were unsigned and on my list, would you still call it punting?
    I liked Wacha or Lugo-

    as a reasonably priced supplemental piece, not as our big splash of the offseason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I liked Wacha or Lugo-

    as a reasonably priced supplemental piece, not as our big splash of the offseason.
    Wacha is more bargain basement. I’d take Manaea over Wacha.

    Pass on Lugo. He’s a top tier reliever turned acceptable starter with unknown durability…

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    2028 might be the new target date for trying.
    Why not 2038? I’m sure Henry would be fine with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I might rather have Paxton and Merrifield on 1 year deals.
    Would you like to have Mondesei too? I’m sure he’d be happy to take a couple million to “rehab” again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Wacha is more bargain basement. I’d take Manaea over Wacha.
    There's little to choose between them.

    Manaea career fWAR per 150 IP - 1.97
    Wacha career fWAR per 150 IP - 1.88

    Projected 2024 fWAR

    Manaea 2.0
    Wacha 1.6
    Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1

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