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i will take Yamamoto any day

So recommending Yoshida was mismanagement but Yamamoto was the smart move?

Is everything based on hindght?

[Randy Red Sox]

So recommending Yoshida was mismanagement but Yamamoto was the smart move?

Is everything based on hindght?

Ummm not really. When Yoshida was signed almost 100% of MLB felt it was a GROSS overpay. That was hardly the case with Yamamoto.

[moonslav59]

So recommending Yoshida was mismanagement but Yamamoto was the smart move?

Is everything based on hindsight?

It was not "hindsight" for some, but your point still has merit. There was just no way we would have come close to winning that contract battle for Yamo.

Many of us wanted some of these guys before hindsight, too:
13/1 Severino 3.25 (46th in fWAR among all SP'ers)
14/1 Flaherty 3.22 (12th in fWAR)
28/2 Manaea 3.63 (54th)
30/3 R Lopez 1.85 (30th)
32/2 Wacha 4.24 (37th)
37/2 Stroman 3.04 (0.2 fWAR/1.1 bWAR)
45/3 S Lugo 2.13 (17th in fWAR)
53/4 Imanaga 1.88 (17th in fWAR)
75/3 S Gray 3.21 (23rd)

There are also...
Min/5 Criswell 4.14 (0.7 fWAR)
16/1 Montas 4.00 (0.6 fWAR)
37/2 Stroman 3.04 (0.2 fWAR)
25/1 Montgomery 6.80 (0.1)
62/2 Snell 6.18 (0.1)
80/4 ERod (N/A)

I was high on Imanaga, Seth Lugo, Sonny Gray and Monty.

[notin]

It was not "hindsight" for some, but your point still has merit. There was just no way we would have come close to winning that contract battle for Yamo.

Many of us wanted some of these guys before hindsight, too:
13/1 Severino 3.25 (46th in fWAR among all SP'ers)
14/1 Flaherty 3.22 (12th in fWAR)
28/2 Manaea 3.63 (54th)
30/3 R Lopez 1.85 (30th)
32/2 Wacha 4.24 (37th)
37/2 Stroman 3.04 (0.2 fWAR/1.1 bWAR)
45/3 S Lugo 2.13 (17th in fWAR)
53/4 Imanaga 1.88 (17th in fWAR)
75/3 S Gray 3.21 (23rd)

There are also...
Min/5 Criswell 4.14 (0.7 fWAR)
16/1 Montas 4.00 (0.6 fWAR)
37/2 Stroman 3.04 (0.2 fWAR)
25/1 Montgomery 6.80 (0.1)
62/2 Snell 6.18 (0.1)
80/4 ERod (N/A)

I was high on Imanaga, Seth Lugo, Sonny Gray and Monty.

Id be very surprised if the Sox went after Yamamoto with that kind of cash after dropping $362mill on 12 combined seasons of Price and Sale, only to have them physically pitch a total of two full seasons.

But not typing the Cubs’ offer for Imanaga is looking like incompetence…

[5GoldGloves:OF,75]

It was really stupid of Henry to say anything about a 1 in 30 chance, implying that every team has the same chance regardless of their advantages or disadvantages in wealth and baseball acumen.

There's not even a 1 in 30 chance to get the #1 overall first pick in the draft -- and that's just a lottery of the 18 clubs that finish out of the postseason...

Nobody even goes on the field to try (whoops, for some, that's how they make the bottom "top" 18)...

[Bellhorn04]

Id be very surprised if the Sox went after Yamamoto with that kind of cash after dropping $362mill on 12 combined seasons of Price and Sale, only to have them physically pitch a total of two full seasons.

Except the big deal with Yamamoto was how young he is.

[notin]

Except the big deal with Yamamoto was how young he is.

True.

But that only added years and money to the equation.

This off-season, Roki Sasaki might be posted. He’s 3 years younger than Yamamoto. And supposedly better..

[moonslav59]

Id be very surprised if the Sox went after Yamamoto with that kind of cash after dropping $362mill on 12 combined seasons of Price and Sale, only to have them physically pitch a total of two full seasons.

But not typing the Cubs’ offer for Imanaga is looking like incompetence…

Not many here wanted Imanaga. After the signing with the Cubs for just $53M/4, some did say it might have been a good deal to give, but only a few spoke out for it.

Hardly anyone wanted Lugo or Flaherty.

I think you mentioned Severino & Montas, but they both looked too much like Kluber and Richards to most of us.

The Stroman vs Gio debate was lengthy and maybe about a 50-50 split on who was the best gamble.

I don't recall anyone wanting Lopez or Manaea.

The Cease and Burnes trades involved pitchers doing well to start 2024.

The fact is, many of the pitcher signings, last winter, worked out well- just not Gio, Snell, Erod and maybe Monty.

[notin]

Not many here wanted Imanaga. After the signing with the Cubs for just $53M/4, some did say it might have been a good deal to give, but only a few spoke out for it.

Hardly anyone wanted Lugo or Flaherty.

I think you mentioned Severino & Montas, but they both looked too much like Kluber and Richards to most of us.

The Stroman vs Gio debate was lengthy and maybe about a 50-50 split on who was the best gamble.

I don't recall anyone wanting Lopez or Manaea.

The Cease and Burnes trades involved pitchers doing well to start 2024.

The fact is, many of the pitcher signings, last winter, worked out well- just not Gio, Snell, Erod and maybe Monty.

Imanaga is pure hindsight on my part.

I only campaigned for Gray, Montgomery (begrudgingly) and a bunch of cheaper arms like Lauer, Woodruff, Miley, German and Odorizzi. And kept an open mind about Trevor Bauer…

[moonslav59]

Imanaga is pure hindsight on my part.

I only campaigned for Gray, Montgomery (begrudgingly) and a bunch of cheaper arms like Lauer, Woodruff, Miley, German and Odorizzi. And kept an open mind about Trevor Bauer…

I thought you mentioned Severino or Montas, but maybe it was someone else.

I really thought Imanaga and Lugo were worthy gambles. I felt if Yamo was worth what he was getting, Imanaga was worth a shot, despite being older.

The Lugo never pitching many innings was overblown, IMO. I saw it as a plus, as his arm was not overworked for his age.

I like Sonny Gray, because I thought he'd take a shorter term deal, which JH might be attracted to.

I liked Monty, more when he was the last man standing.

I was 50-50 on Stroman vs Gio, but neither were high on my list.

I did not want Snell.

[****THEYANKEES]

I just think he used the number of teams.

It raised no eyebrows with me. The Sox have won 9 World Series of the 120 played. So really if you use history to determine our odds, we’ve won one of every 14 World Series.

What I didn’t like was him telling us fans expect titles every year. We don’t. But we do expect trying every year…

well said. i know they can't win every year but by gawd at least look like you fucking trying.

[****THEYANKEES]

True.

But that only added years and money to the equation.

This off-season, Roki Sasaki might be posted. He’s 3 years younger than Yamamoto. And supposedly better..

and he'll end up in pinstripes or dodger blue cause there is no way in hell JH will fork over the dough.

[FredLynn]

I just think he used the number of teams.

It raised no eyebrows with me. The Sox have won 9 World Series of the 120 played. So really if you use history to determine our odds, we’ve won one of every 14 World Series.

What I didn’t like was him telling us fans expect titles every year. We don’t. But we do expect trying every year…

I expect them to COMPETE every year. This crap that has now gone on for the last six of seven years is why fans aren't showing up at the park any more. The ownership, having declared that they are going "full throttle" (bet they regret saying THAT) has done NOTHNG to produce a competitive team. Today's game, antoher loss to the worst team in baseball besides the FLOPS, is a prime example. Henry needs to sell the team or get his home egged.

[Randy Red Sox]

and he'll end up in pinstripes or dodger blue cause there is no way in hell JH will fork over the dough.

NO KIDDING but Henry will ok Breslow to sign a few broken down guys on 1 year deals

[5GoldGloves:OF,75]

NO KIDDING but Henry will ok Breslow to sign a few broken down guys on 1 year deals

Of course -- they have to put bodies in 26 uniforms so they can put bodies in Fenway's tight seats facing away from home plate or behind poles.