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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    They did win nearly 20 more games than the previous years prior to drafting Bregman. 70-92 isn’t good, but considering they were coming off there straight years of about 110 losses, is it still tanking?
    Really my point was tanking doesn’t always work. Countering with Bregman (in addition to Correa) is pointing out that it works 50% of the time. That doesn’t counter my point; it supports it…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dipre View Post
    Of course they fucking tanked. They tanked hard.
    They admitted it.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Really my point was tanking doesn’t always work. Countering with Bregman (in addition to Correa) is pointing out that it works 50% of the time. That doesn’t counter my point; it supports it…
    How is hitting bigtime on 33 to 50% of your first roiund picks evidence tanking does not work?
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    How is hitting bigtime on 33 to 50% of your first roiund picks evidence tanking does not work?
    Was it worth tanking to get Mark Appel and Brady Aiken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    How is hitting bigtime on 33 to 50% of your first roiund picks evidence tanking does not work?
    I don't think it's that "tanking doesn't work" as much as it's the incentive to tanking in the MLB is not what it is in the NBA or NFL, generally speaking it just doesn't happen in baseball. I don't think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    That doesn’t change that there is a difference.

    Really, tanking is a subset of sucking…
    No, it isn't. Tanking is a deliberate strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    No, it isn't. Tanking is a deliberate strategy.
    Ok. So you’re saying it isn’t a subset of sucking? Do teams tank and NOT suck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    They did win nearly 20 more games than the previous years prior to drafting Bregman. 70-92 isn’t good, but considering they were coming off there straight years of about 110 losses, is it still tanking?
    Of course. It was a gradual process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Of course. It was a gradual process.
    Of course typically winning 70 doesn’t get you a #2 pick…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Really my point was tanking doesn’t always work. Countering with Bregman (in addition to Correa) is pointing out that it works 50% of the time. That doesn’t counter my point; it supports it…
    They struck gold twice. No, that does not support your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    They struck gold twice. No, that does not support your point.
    Right. So tanking is always worth it…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Ok. So you’re saying it isn’t a subset of sucking? Do teams tank and NOT suck?
    What does that even mean, subset of sucking?

    Tanking is deliberately sucking. It's massively different from trying and sucking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Right. So tanking is always worth it…
    Not saying always, of course. Saying it was for the Cubs and the Astros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    What does that even mean, subset of sucking?

    Tanking is deliberately sucking. It's massively different from trying and sucking.
    It’s a type of sucking.

    All tanking teams suck. Not all sucking teams are tanking. Deliberate or not, do you think fans care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Not saying always, of course. Saying it was for the Cubs and the Astros.
    But not so much for, say, the Reds…

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