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Thread: A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

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    People are underestimating how expensive Yamamoto will be to the Mets. He could cost Cohen close $700 million when it’s all said and done with the posting fees and all the taxes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh2 View Post
    People are underestimating how expensive Yamamoto will be to the Mets. He could cost Cohen close $700 million when it’s all said and done with the posting fees and all the taxes
    $700M?

    How do you figure that?
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    $700M?

    How do you figure that?
    He’s using yen again. It converts to about $5mill USD. Or one years rent for a studio apartment on the upper west side…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    He’s using yen again. It converts to about $5mill USD. Or one years rent for a studio apartment on the upper west side…
    Every penny the Mets spend now has every surcharge on it. That plus posting fees.

    Henry can’t match Cohene budget, but he doesn’t have too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh2 View Post
    Every penny the Mets spend now has every surcharge on it. That plus posting fees.

    Henry can’t match Cohene budget, but he doesn’t have too.
    Can any owner in baseball even come close to matching cohen????
    Cohen paid 120 million for mucks scream painting. The man had no limits

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    Don't the RS have to do more than 'match' other offers? Since the way they have treated players and their usual cellar finishes don't really offer any incentive other than money. (It wasn't this waay as little as 5 years ago).
    "Fans have become more entitled than anything. So they're starting to question our motives for the game, or how we approach the game. The ones that do question -- like who are you? Just shut up and watch the game tonight." --Kevin Durant on players' lack of effort in regular season games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jad View Post
    Don't the RS have to do more than 'match' other offers? Since the way they have treated players and their usual cellar finishes don't really offer any incentive other than money. (It wasn't this waay as little as 5 years ago).
    What have the Mets, Yanks and Giants done in the last 5 years?

    While the Yanks have won more than us, they showed significant decline, last year.

    The Mets, Giants and Sox are pretty much bunched up in wins over 5 years.

    Choose 6 years, and it looks different:
    Wins
    509 NYY (no rings/ 1 ALCS loss)
    464 BOS (1 ring/ 1 ALCS loss)
    446 SFG (no rings/no NLCS appearances)
    442 NYM (no rings/no NLCS appearances)

    Choose last 3 years:
    273 NYY -no ALCS appearances
    267 SFG -no NLCS appearances
    253 NYM -no NLCS appearances
    248 BOS -1 ALCS loss

    Looks pretty close, to me.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    What have the Mets, Yanks and Giants done in the last 5 years?

    While the Yanks have won more than us, they showed significant decline, last year.

    The Mets, Giants and Sox are pretty much bunched up in wins over 5 years.

    Choose 6 years, and it looks different:
    Wins
    509 NYY (no rings/ 1 ALCS loss)
    464 BOS (1 ring/ 1 ALCS loss)
    446 SFG (no rings/no NLCS appearances)
    442 NYM (no rings/no NLCS appearances)

    Choose last 3 years:
    273 NYY -no ALCS appearances
    267 SFG -no NLCS appearances
    253 NYM -no NLCS appearances
    248 BOS -1 ALCS loss

    Looks pretty close, to me.
    I'm not saaying there aren't other crappy organizations w/ nothing to offer besides money. I'm just saying the RS, incredibly, have become one of them.
    "Fans have become more entitled than anything. So they're starting to question our motives for the game, or how we approach the game. The ones that do question -- like who are you? Just shut up and watch the game tonight." --Kevin Durant on players' lack of effort in regular season games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jad View Post
    I'm not saaying there aren't other crappy organizations w/ nothing to offer besides money. I'm just saying the RS, incredibly, have become one of them.
    I was speaking to the Yamo choice that seems to come down to 4 teams that all look pretty similar, in that respect.

    I also think the idea that many players do not want to play wit the Sox is overblown. There are many examples of players who signed with us, and even Nate came back after the TEX offer, hoping we'd take him back. If anyone should know about the Sox and "winning organizations," it would be him.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Cook View Post
    Can any owner in baseball even come close to matching cohen????
    Cohen paid 120 million for mucks scream painting. The man had no limits
    Edward Munch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jad View Post
    I'm not saaying there aren't other crappy organizations w/ nothing to offer besides money. I'm just saying the RS, incredibly, have become one of them.
    What did they offer before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I was speaking to the Yamo choice that seems to come down to 4 teams that all look pretty similar, in that respect.

    I also think the idea that many players do not want to play wit the Sox is overblown. There are many examples of players who signed with us, and even Nate came back after the TEX offer, hoping we'd take him back. If anyone should know about the Sox and "winning organizations," it would be him.

    Really the only guy who spurned the Sox in the past couple years was Eflin, and that was because he wanted to go home…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Really the only guy who spurned the Sox in the past couple years was Eflin, and that was because he wanted to go home…
    Indeed. Our problem has been not offering top dollar for the better FAs, not free agents saying no to us.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Assume we add a SP1, SP3, and 2Bman: I know big assumption, I see the 26 and 40 like this:

    SP1
    Bello
    SP3
    Sale
    Pivetta (Maybe Crawford)

    Jansen
    Martin
    Winckowski
    Schreiber
    Crawford
    Houck
    Whitlock
    Slaten (Rule 5)/ Mata (out of options) Trade, return or DFA the other

    Wong
    McGuire
    Casas
    2Bman
    Reyes
    EValdez
    Story
    Devers
    Yoshida
    Refsnyder
    Duran
    Rafaela
    O'Neill

    The other 14: (Blue= should see key time in MLB)
    Murphy, Walter, Wikelman, Perales
    Campbell, Bernardino, Criswell, Kelly, Weissert
    2 from Weiss, Llovera & Jacques
    Abreu
    DHam
    Dalbec

    Last edited by moonslav59; 12-17-2023 at 09:08 PM.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    What did they offer before?
    Oh, nothing much. Championships. Winning culture. Superstars. Daily sell-outs. Things like that. (Although as I noted before, none of that is as important to athletes as the money; so maybe being a crappy team doesn't matter!)
    Last edited by jad; 12-17-2023 at 10:03 PM.
    "Fans have become more entitled than anything. So they're starting to question our motives for the game, or how we approach the game. The ones that do question -- like who are you? Just shut up and watch the game tonight." --Kevin Durant on players' lack of effort in regular season games.

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