Sale's remaining AAV is about 34 million, so the acquiring team would be on the hook for 17 mill.Originally Posted by vegasbob
If he gets back on the mound before the deadline it might be a possibility, but that in itself seems like a long shot.
Sale's remaining AAV is about 34 million, so the acquiring team would be on the hook for 17 mill.
If he gets back on the mound before the deadline it might be a possibility, but that in itself seems like a long shot.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
We can pay all of his 2023 contract and maybe pay down some of 2024 to improve the return.
I doubt Sale comes back before the deadline, so it would be a big gamble for a team to get him on August 1st.
Might we think trading Crawford while his stock is high be something they consider?
Sell, sell sell !!!
Duvall, hernandez, Paxton, Jensen, and martin please report to the coaches office and bring your playbooks with you!!!!!
For that crowd (except Paxton), getting back the playbooks would be all the Sox get in those deals..
Is it bad when I read this that I could only think of one man in charge of any MLB franchise that would even think that would be a good idea?
Agree with the projection of injuries. The rotation is a shambles and unlikely to recover--and the bullpen isn't strong enough to make up the difference. Nor is the hitting.
Not sure what "sell" entails, so will hold off on commenting.
The one Im most reluctant to trade, and also the one that drives me bat $hit crazy the most..Pivetta. Try to extend Paxton for 2 yrs. Let Turners contract run its course..he is doing exactly what you got him for. If he's redundant next year, then you can swap him when this team will HOPEFULLY be a contender.
Unlikely? Maybe, but...
Houck should be back after the break. Whitlock's elbow issues is reportedly just a bone bruise, so he should be back around the same time. I'd never count on Sale to come back, but I said the same about Paxton, so who knows?
We have about 4 weeks to get a better feel for how the rotation is shaping up. I'd say, if we are close and the rotation is looking healthier, I'd lean towards buying, but not by trading away top prospects for just a rental.
If they look injured or slow to recover, I'd sell anyone not part of our longer term plans, including 1.5 year players that are post-prime (not Dugo & Pivetta. Assume Sale is untradeable.)
We could spend big, this coming winter and have a better roster and deeper farm by selling. Assume we sell all 0.5 and 1.5 controlled players, here is the base to work with and add to:
(I'll assume Story at SS, but we could add a SS and keep Story at 2B.)
C Wong/McGuire (Hamilton/Hickey)
1B Casas/Dalbec (Kavadas/Jordan)
2B _____/ Arroyo/DHamilton/EValdez (Yorke)
SS Story/Chang/Reyes (Mayer)
3B Devers
LF _____/Refsnyder/Yoshida
CF Duran (Rafaela)
RF Dugo (Abreu)
DH Yoshida/Refsnyder/Dalbec (EValdez/Kavadas/Meidroth)
SP1 ______
SP2 Bello
SP3 ______
SP4 ______
SP5 Sale/Whitlock/Houck/Pivetta/Crawford (Drohan, Mata, Walter, Murphy)
RP1 Houck
RP2 Whitlock
RP3 ______
RP4 Schreiber
RP5 Winckowski
RP6 Crawford
RP7 Pivetta.Bleier/Joely/Mills (Kelly/Guerrero/Denlinger/Fernandez)
Instead of signing 8-11 FAs every year, let's go with 6.
SP1, SP3, SP4, 2B/SS, LF, RP
If we go over the line, we don't have to settle on $7-10M starters and $7M OF'ers.
Last edited by moonslav59; 07-04-2023 at 09:58 PM.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
who do you think Bloom should be looking at to fill those obvious holes?
Honestly, I don't know. He could trade for 1-2, if they don't mind giving up some good prospects.
I could see him going after Snell and maybe keep Paxton. (Urias or Montgomery?)
Closer: Josh Hader?
SS; DeJung or Ahmed Rosario
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
If Bloom is as smart as a Yale grad, he'd be on the phone today with both the Diamondbacks and his favorite go-to, the Dodgers. They're 1-2 in the NL West, only two losses apart, and each team is hurting for starting pitching right now -- with key guys on the IL and team ERAs higher than the NL average.
Wonder what a bidding war for Paxton, the AL Pitcher of the Month, would look like between two rivals, each trying to recruit him and keep him from going to the other club?
This may be of particular interest to the Red Sox: 6 of the top 10 prospects for both Arizona and LA are pitchers...
Agree on Duvall. Kike isn’t going anywhere this year. For one thing, he’s not going to get you anything. But beyond that, for all his issues on the field, from everything I’ve heard, he’s well liked in the clubhouse by the players. He played a big part in getting three of the better performers to sign here in Turner, Martin and Jansen. His playing time is already being reduced, and I don’t see that changing going forward barring a rash of more injuries. It’s not like he’s blocking anyone at this point.
He won’t be resigned, but he will be here for 80 or do more games.
The Yankees could go 0-162 and it wouldn't be enough
Kike would be fine if he was used right. Recently he's shown he can be a plus defender at other positions, he just can't throw worth a lick at SS. The Sox already sits below the luxury tax, so they could probably easily unload a guy like Kike if they ate his salary. Maybe they should sit Duran against a few lefties and let Kike roam CF again and see if he can still play plus plus D there. If he can, you will definitely get something for him, especially if you eat the salary.
If both teams top prospect lists are loaded with pitching, they’re both very likely to try internal solutions first. Because unlike trades, if they don’t work out in time, those moves can be undone.
Paxton might be Pitcher of the Month, but you have to also figure both teams to be interested in a few other obvious fire sale candidates - namely Giolito, Snell, Flaherty, Montgomery, Cobb, Lynn and Wacha…
A lot of those names are guys the Red Sox should be in on -- for now and the future. The Cardinals are most intriguing, but not in trades; St. Lou has to be looking for younger, controllable pitching in return, and that's not something even the clever Boston ops can afford to dangle. For teams going nowhere this summer, it'd be better to wait until winter and just sign Montgomery.
As for Snell and Wacha, can't see the Pads giving up, and at the same time upgrading their rivals in the West. SD's weakness, for some reason, is making contact, with the second-lowest batting average in the NL. Maybe they should offer Soto to Boston for Yoshida, a .300 hitter locked up for basically half-price of what a guy who turned down $400 million will be making for the next decade.
Then again... maybe Bloom should refuse any Soto-for-Yoshida deal, and look like a financial genius -- long after he's gone from Beantown (at least he'll have a positive legacy)?
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