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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Back then, that was good but not great. Now, it nearly leads the team.

    Not sure why we ever moved away from that philosophy.
    The team is still 9th in the majors in OBP. But yeah, it has been all borne on batting average. The guys Bloom has brought in have largely not walked all that much. Of course, that role might not be a market inefficiency anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Suzuki had a 113 OPS+ last year and has a 119 this year, so that's some very recent evidence of improvement.
    What does this have to do with Yoshida?

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    Yoshida must not have had a good sleep last night and still tired today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsoxrules View Post
    What does this have to do with Yoshida?
    I don't see how you could ask that unless you didn't read the post I was replying to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I don't see how you could ask that unless you didn't read the post I was replying to.
    Just because player A improved in year 2 it doesn't mean player B will do the same

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsoxrules View Post
    Just because player A improved in year 2 it doesn't mean player B will do the same
    I just said it was evidence of another Japanese player improving in Year 2. I didn't say it was guaranteed.

    I've been more critical than anyone of the Yoshida signing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I just said it was evidence of another Japanese player improving in Year 2. I didn't say it was guaranteed.

    I've been more critical than anyone of the Yoshida signing.
    I’ve been with you on that one, and I questioned the contract when they signed him if it was an overpriced deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I just said it was evidence of another Japanese player improving in Year 2. I didn't say it was guaranteed.

    I've been more critical than anyone of the Yoshida signing.

    I think you’ve been more critical than everyone.

    Combined…

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    I think you’ve been more critical than everyone.

    Combined…
    Unfortunately the criticism has turned out to be fully justified, for this year at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sk7326 View Post
    The team is still 9th in the majors in OBP. But yeah, it has been all borne on batting average. The guys Bloom has brought in have largely not walked all that much. Of course, that role might not be a market inefficiency anymore.
    The mantra, at the time, was make the SP'er throw a lot of pitches, get them yanked earlier and earlier, then feast on marginal pen guys.

    Now, the pens are deeper and better, but isn't walking still a good thing?

    Lord knows, we've seen our opps score the winning run due to a walk or HBP way too many times.

    We need to get back to valuing OBP and defense, but without some SP'ers added, we might was well go for the #1 pick in 2025.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Unfortunately the criticism has turned out to be fully justified, for this year at least.
    It's year one.

    He wasn't horrible. His D was as advertised. His O has been up and down, and this last "down" has brought his season totals to a point where nobody can say he earned his paycheck, but because it's just year one- in a new league and culture, despite his age, I'm not sure expecting greatness or even goodness in his first year was "fully justified."

    I'm certainly not as optimistic as I was back in March or mid May or mid July. Hell, I think the guy was still over .850 in early August, so I'm still holding out some hope he can keep up .850 over a full season, and with Cora as the manager, a "full season" might only 135-140 games, when 100% healthy.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    It's year one.

    He wasn't horrible. His D was as advertised. His O has been up and down, and this last "down" has brought his season totals to a point where nobody can say he earned his paycheck, but because it's just year one- in a new league and culture, despite his age, I'm not sure expecting greatness or even goodness in his first year was "fully justified."

    I'm certainly not as optimistic as I was back in March or mid May or mid July. Hell, I think the guy was still over .850 in early August, so I'm still holding out some hope he can keep up .850 over a full season, and with Cora as the manager, a "full season" might only 135-140 games, when 100% healthy.
    Again, my criticism has been mainly directed at Bloom for the signing, in an offseason when we desperately need pitching rather than 2 DH's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Again, my criticism has been mainly directed at Bloom for the signing, in an offseason when we desperately need pitching rather than 2 DH's.
    I don't disagree, but your focus seems more on Yoshida's shortcomings. It just seems extreme, to me.
    When you say it's gonna happen now
    When exactly do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I don't disagree, but your focus seems more on Yoshida's shortcomings. It just seems extreme, to me.
    moon, his fWAR now stands at 0.4. Maybe your argument should be with FanGraphs, not me.
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    Once it was established that Yoshida is a pricey DH, then his comps become David Ortiz and J. D. Martinez. That's part of what I've been saying.
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