Yes, that's a fair point.Originally Posted by Kimmi
I think maybe the real issue is that they should never have started tinkering with the baseballs to begin with.
Yes, that's a fair point.
I think maybe the real issue is that they should never have started tinkering with the baseballs to begin with.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Do the even remember the original recipe, or do we need to bring Colonel Sanders back to life?
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Fans would rather see power than putrid offense.
Hal sucks
I agree most fans would prefer to see more offense. That being the case, it really doesn't make any sense that MLB got rid of the juiced balls that they had last year. Too many homeruns?
Bell has it right, they never should have started tinkering with the baseballs to begin with.
1966 3.99
1967 3.77
1968 3.42
1969 4.07
1970 4.34
1971 3.89
1972 3.69
1973 4.21
1974 4.12
1975 4.21
1976 3.99
1977 4.47
1978 4.10
1979 4.46
1980 4.29
1981 4.00
1982 4.30
1983 4.31
1984 4.26
1985 4.33
1986 4.41
1987 4.72
1988 4.14
1989 4.13
1990 4.26
1991 4.31
1992 4.12
1993 4.60
1994 4.92
1995 4.85
1996 5.04
1997 4.77
1998 4.79
1999 5.08
2000 5.14
2001 4.78
2002 4.62
2003 4.73
2004 4.81
2005 4.59
2006 4.86
2007 4.80
2008 4.65
2009 4.61
2010 4.38
2011 4.28
2012 4.32
2013 4.17
2014 4.07
2015 4.25
2016 4.48
2017 4.65
2018 4.45
2019 4.85
2020 4.65
2021 4.53
2022 4.28
2023 4.62
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
Look at what Pedro did during the big scoring era!
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
Pedro might have been the best ever during that stretch from 1997 to 2003.
Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1
The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.
I think stats like ERA+ and ERA- help factor in the eras pitchers pitched in, and Pedro's 7 year stretch is the best in MLB, IMO.
ERA- rankings:
1. Slim Jones 30 in '34
2. Pedro 35 in '00
3. Maddux 37 in '94
4. Gibson 38 in '68
5. Maddux 39 in '95 (the best 2 year stretch in MLB history)
6. Pedro 42 in '99
9. Clemens 44 in '05
11. Clemens 45 in '97
13. Pedro 45 in '97
17. Clemens 47 in '90
20. Pedro 48 in '03
23. Pedro 50 in '02
39. Maddux 53 in '97
40. Maddux 53 in '98 (A great 5 year stretch: see below)
(Pedro had an ERA- or 53 in 2001 but just 117 IP)
75. Clemens 57 in '98 (A longer stretch of greatness, but not a 7 yrs stretch like Pedro: see below)
83. Maddux 57 in '93
88. Clemens 57 in '86
94. Clemens 58 in '92
Comping the 3:
Pedro 13 seasons from '93-'05 with all 100+ IP (7 year stretch in RED)
68
80
83
88
45
61
42
35
53 (only 117 IP)
50
48
82
68
Greg Maddux 15 seasons from "88-'02 (all 199+ IP) with best consecutive 7 in RED:
87
80
86
87
61 (1992)
57
37
39
64
53
53 (1998)
79
65
71
64 (2002)
Clemens: 20 seasons from '86 to '06, all over 140 IP, except the last one:
57 (1986 w SOX)
65
72
77
47
61
58
99
57
86
72 (last season w SOC)
45 (TOR)
57
97 (NYY)
77
80
99
88
68 (HOU)
44
52 (only 113 IP)
7 Year numbers, overall:
ERA- Pitcher (IP/ FIP)
47 Pedro (1403/2.61) 2nd Johnson at 60, 3rd Brown & Prior 69, 5th Maddux 85
53 Maddux (1675/ 2.59 FIP) 2nd Clemens 65, 3rd Johnson 69, 4th Pedro, Morris & Rijo 71
63 Clemens (1799/2.63) 2nd: Musina at 66, 3rd Guzman 69, 4th Appier & Tudor76
Pedro's IP is 270-400 less than Maddux and Clemens best 7 year stretch, but the ERA- is better than Maddux and much better than Clemens.
When you say it's gonna happen now
When exactly do you mean?
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