Another interesting aside is that the Diamondbacks actually have a better won loss record than the Sox.
Another interesting aside is that the Diamondbacks actually have a better won loss record than the Sox.
DBags are 35-17 at home, 22-25 away. They have more away games left on the schedule than they do home.Originally Posted by oldtimer
If they face the Rockies in Colorado for the WC game, they are toast.
Judge for yourself...
2016>2017 OPS
Leon .845 > .659
HRam .866 >.786
Pedey .825 >.797
Bogey .802 >.773
Beni .835 >.760
J B Jr. .835 >.793
Betts .897 > .832
Young .850 >.712
BHolt .705 >.479
Vaz .585 < .623
Only one player is having better season this year than last: Vaz. Many of the players having worse seasons were on the upside of the age curve. Only HRam and Young are close to the down side.
Last edited by moonslav59; 07-25-2017 at 11:22 AM.
Pedey is down from last year too, actually.
Thanks. I went back and edited.
Clearly, we are seeing massive under performing by our hitters.
Even Mitch Moreland is on his way towards having a worse season this year, if his prolonged slump continues.
Last edited by moonslav59; 07-25-2017 at 11:25 AM.
I've go no argument I guess-
Are you surprised that Leon is down?
What are Hanley's career numbers?
I'll Pedey as is.
Bogey down that much really? What did people expect?
Beni - Who really knows where he should be just yet?
JBJ - just doesn't seem all the off to me
Betts - yup - I guess
Young - infrequent player -
Holt - pretty much same as Young
Vaz - doesn't matter still can't hit
Are they really that far off their career norms? Of the guys that are in there daily for the most part, yes it does look like Ramirez is off the mark but recently has been able to on occasion hit it where most of our other guys can't .
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Since April 15th Red Sox catchers are batting .233/.282/.321, 45% worse than league average, ranking 29th in MLB.
I'm focusing on career stats and I'm seeing Bogaerts and Bradley outperforming career norms. It is a matter of perspective. There is no question that a number of these guys aren't hitting like they did last year. Maybe for some of them it just isn't who they really are. I like career averages. Down for sure but as a group, I don't see it as massive under production.
I'm not sure why counting a player's first year or two against him is logical (see JBJ and Bogey's career numbers).
Most players improve on their numbers after year 2. They continue improving until they reach prime. I think it was fair to expect slight improvement from Bogey & JBJ. It's hard to expect improvement from a year like Betts, but his age curve could have suggested one.
I did not expect Leon to improve, but I expected Vaz to get better and the loss of Hanigan and Holaday's putrid offense would make us about even at catcher from 2016 to 2017.
Beni had a small sample size last year, so using his .835 number as a mark to improve from might be too much to expect.
HanRam & Pedey are still in prime. I didn't expect an improvement from 2016 or 2015-2016 combined, but expecting about the same was not really wishful thinking. I would agree that their decline should not be called "under performing"--same with Leon.
Overall, even minus Papi's 2016 numbers from the 2016 totals, we've seen a pretty significant decline. Maybe "massive" was hyperbole, but to me, we've clearly under performed as a whole.
I agree with you in general. I was a History/English guy so I know that I am guilty of over reacting when I focus on words. It is obvious that they aren't hitting as a group like they did last year. I'm just not all that surprised. I truly felt that they were apt to be substantially less productive this year than last. I felt the new influx of pitching could very well make up for it. The choice was made to not bring in bats capable of at least coming close to replacing Papi. I don't think that anybody could have really predicted that this is the most that we were going to get from third to date (that might change).
Their math is wrong.
You can carry an offensive blackhole at catcher if the catcher does everything else well, but you can't carry a blackhole at catcher and at third base and a below average hitter at first base. With all of that dead weight, all you need is one or two other guys to slump and run production craters. We need Devers to inject some offensive life and we need another bat. DD needs to get a big RH bat for first base.
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Farrell on WEEI says he hopes Devers gives a spark to the bottom third of the order. "We need to string together base hits."
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Another really bizarre Red Sox offense fact, unlike the norm in baseball, the more times through the lineup vs a starter the worse they hit.
If they don't score early, go to bed.
https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/stat...22391698223105
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