A Realistic View at 2017 Part I

[Spudboy]

and by no means was that winning based only or solely on the 2004 core. Yes the core slowly declines from 2007 on but I think Theo was brilliant in slowing down entropy and keeping the team competitive for longer than we honestly should have expected. And it's beyond debate that Theo was brilliant in 2007 in particular

That was what gave us a surprise window in 2013 as the last gasp of the 2007 core

Did you mean to type atrophy or entropy?

[Spudboy]

After the Nomar trade:
3b went from Mueller to Lowell (good call)
1b went from Millar to Youk (good call)
SS went from OCab to miscellaneoud (OCab became a journeyman so it's not a big loss)
2b went from Bellhorn to Pedroia (remains to be seen if this was a good idea)
LF stayed with Manny until 2008 when Manny forced his way out of town (can't blame Theo here)
CF went from Johnny Damon to Coco Crisp/TEllsbury (good call)
RF went from Trot to JD Drew (good call)
C stayed with Tek until 2011

He dumped Pedro and Lowe when other GM's may have kept them on for nostalgia. He found a suitable replacement at closer.

Theo kept trying to bring in high priced talent while consistently adding young talent from the farm system. I really can't fault Theo for much of anything from 2005 - 2011. He should probably still be the GM today, but LL had JH's ear and they dumped the wrong guy.

Good post.

Did Pedroia take your lunch money or something?

[mvp 78]

Good post.

Did Pedroia take your lunch money or something?

They went from having a replacement level player who banged the ballgirl (the cover of the Tessie record, I believe) to the greatest 2b in team history. I'd say it's too close to call.

[a700hitter]

They went from having a replacement level player who banged the ballgirl (the cover of the Tessie record, I believe) to the greatest 2b in team history. I'd say it's too close to call.

Bobby Doerr might have an argument. Some of our posters did see him play.

[mvp 78]

Bobby Doerr might have an argument. Some of our posters did see him play.

Which ballgirl did he bang?

[a700hitter]

which ballgirl did he bang?

lol!

[mvp 78]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_2B.shtml

JAWS gives the edge to Pedroia at the moment.

[moonslav59]

After the Nomar trade:
3b went from Mueller to Lowell (good call)
1b went from Millar to Youk (good call)
SS went from OCab to miscellaneoud (OCab became a journeyman so it's not a big loss)
2b went from Bellhorn to Pedroia (remains to be seen if this was a good idea)
LF stayed with Manny until 2008 when Manny forced his way out of town (can't blame Theo here)
CF went from Johnny Damon to Coco Crisp/TEllsbury (good call)
RF went from Trot to JD Drew (good call)
C stayed with Tek until 2011

He dumped Pedro and Lowe when other GM's may have kept them on for nostalgia. He found a suitable replacement at closer.

Theo kept trying to bring in high priced talent while consistently adding young talent from the farm system. I really can't fault Theo for much of anything from 2005 - 2011. He should probably still be the GM today, but LL had JH's ear and they dumped the wrong guy.

Theo did not acquire Youk & Pedey after the Nomar trade.

Our SSs after OCab were disasterous- not "no big loss".

Crisp never reached expectations and was a drop off from Damon. We got Ellsbury for OCab, and I mentioned that as a qualified gain post Nomar.

Letting Pedro & Lowe go was the right call.

Theo did good after Nomar.

Again, I'll bring the list out tonight.

A lot was good. A lot was okay.

A lot was not good.

[mvp 78]

A lot was good. A lot was okay.

A lot was not good.

That's a lot of a lot's.

[moonslav59]

That's a lot of a lot's.

He made a lot of moves. Lots and lots!

[Fisk]

Overall I believe Theo was a very good GM for us , but he definitely had some bumps in the road. His drafts from 06-10 were rough. but he was the GM for two World Series and his 11 draft could go down as one of the greatest.

[Bellhorn04]

Overall I believe Theo was a very good GM for us , but he definitely had some bumps in the road. His drafts from 06-10 were rough. but he was the GM for two World Series and his 11 draft could go down as one of the greatest.

And he validated how good he is with the Cubs.

[Fisk]

Has done a great job with the Cubs. Broke the team down to nothing and built a world championship team in 5 years.

[harmony]

PECOTA projects the Red Sox as AL East champs with 90 wins (and the Cleveland Indians and Houston Astros as divisional champs with 92 and 93 wins, respectively):

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/fantasy/dc/

[notin]

They went from having a replacement level player who banged the ballgirl (the cover of the Tessie record, I believe) to the greatest 2b in team history. I'd say it's too close to call.

Mark Loretta, an All Star who never banged a ball girl, preceded Pedroia at 2b