Back in the day I frequently compared Mike Olt and Will Middlebrooks, slugging righthand-hitting third basemen born 13 days apart:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl.../oltmi01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...iddlwi01.shtml
You're talking about a 7 year time span.
No, not really. The deals Theo made up and including to the Nomar trade had residual effects several years later- keeping us competitive and helping us win in 2007.
Just because we won in 2007, doesn't mean the moves Theo made after the Nomar trade we "all that great". Certainly, the Beckett/Lowell trade helped us short term. Beckett was a huge reason we won in 2007, and Lowell was a significant part as well.
My point was that Theo's deal after the Nomar trade we significantly worse than prior. He had a few good ones, but not like prior to Nomar, where just about every deal, even the small ones worked out well.
I'm not home right now, but when I get home, I will dig up a comparative I wrote on "before and after".
And the team Theo left Ben looks pretty good in retrospect if you're including the prospects. Aside from Crawford and 'clubhouse issues'.
It was worse than what he had after the Nomar trade. The budget was in horrible shape.
My point was that Theo's deal after the Nomar trade we significantly worse than prior. He had a few good ones, but not like prior to Nomar, where just about every deal, even the small ones worked out well.
So he couldn't be expected to keep up that rate of success. Probably no one could.
I'll explain more in detail later, when I show the major deals Theo made after the Nomar trade.
(Also, many of the draft picks made after the Nomar trade were comp picks from player acquired from and before the Nomar trade, so credit there is compromised to some extent.)
The two time periods aren't even close.
One could argue the ones in totality made after Nomar were not even average.
and by no means was that winning based only or solely on the 2004 core. Yes the core slowly declines from 2007 on but I think Theo was brilliant in slowing down entropy and keeping the team competitive for longer than we honestly should have expected. And it's beyond debate that Theo was brilliant in 2007 in particular
That was what gave us a surprise window in 2013 as the last gasp of the 2007 core
Last edited by Dojji; 02-07-2017 at 01:45 PM.
Exactly Dojji. The 2013 team had Theo's fingerprints all over it
Hal sucks
Based in large part to his deals made prior to the Nomar trade, yes. They kept winning, but by 2011, the team, budget and farm were all worse or much worse than from 2003 until 2007.
Theo, himself, admitted they lost focus and let go of some of the principles they began with.
I have never said the team sucked after Nomar. I know full well they did not.
The decline in our overall system strength finally caught up with us. Ben's FA blunders compounded the problems.
After the Nomar trade:
3b went from Mueller to Lowell (good call)
1b went from Millar to Youk (good call)
SS went from OCab to miscellaneoud (OCab became a journeyman so it's not a big loss)
2b went from Bellhorn to Pedroia (remains to be seen if this was a good idea)
LF stayed with Manny until 2008 when Manny forced his way out of town (can't blame Theo here)
CF went from Johnny Damon to Coco Crisp/TEllsbury (good call)
RF went from Trot to JD Drew (good call)
C stayed with Tek until 2011
He dumped Pedro and Lowe when other GM's may have kept them on for nostalgia. He found a suitable replacement at closer.
Theo kept trying to bring in high priced talent while consistently adding young talent from the farm system. I really can't fault Theo for much of anything from 2005 - 2011. He should probably still be the GM today, but LL had JH's ear and they dumped the wrong guy.
http://soxprospects.com/history.htm
The Sox Prospects list from September 2011 looks good enough to me.