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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    Sadly, moonslav's OP has a point. A week ago I was saying this team is in great position, but now they seem to be on the verge of collapse. Three starters have collapsed and a fourth pitched a great game only to lose 1-0. As moonslav pointed out on another thread, the Sox outscored the Orioles by 6 runs and lost the series 2-1.

    Last night the Sox got 4 singles and 0 runs, tonight so far it's a double, 2 singles, and 1 run in 4 innings.
    And again, righ on cue it's the same tired story. They fall behind in the early to mid innings, and never come back. Whoever scores first in a Sox game wins, that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    Sadly, moonslav's OP has a point. A week ago I was saying this team is in great position, but now they seem to be on the verge of collapse. Three starters have collapsed and a fourth pitched a great game only to lose 1-0. As moonslav pointed out on another thread, the Sox outscored the Orioles by 6 runs and lost the series 2-1.

    Last night the Sox got 4 singles and 0 runs, tonight so far it's a double, 2 singles, and 1 run in 4 innings.
    The whole AL is a crap shoot in more ways than one. I said it before the season started. Every AL team has serious weak links. Ours seemed to be less in numbers, aand we appeared to have more options off the bench to patch those weaknesses.

    Wright patched one hole in the rotation (plus Porcello stepped up).
    Leon solved the "blackhole" catcher offense issue.
    Young has been great off the bench and Beni has looked promising in a limited time.
    Shaw surprised many by winning Pablo's job and doing well for a few months.

    We still have holes. The rotation was not going to continue their month long streak.

    We are bound to slump, and we will get hot again.

    I still think we have less holes than other AL teams. It's going to be about who is playing well when it counts. Right now, we look down. The hottest teams int he AL, Seatlle (9-1) and the Yanks (7-3) probably have the worst looking teams on paper out of all the AL serious contenders. The "best" AL teams area ll flat right now:

    BAL 6-4
    BOS 5-5
    CLE 5-5
    TEX 5-5
    DET 4-6
    TOR 3-7

    Nobody is looking like a "winner", so why giveu p on our chances, is what I say!


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    Hahaha....now THAT is the kind of thing I want to see. Now show me some consistency and I might beleive. That was a much needed win tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    Sadly, moonslav's OP has a point. A week ago I was saying this team is in great position, but now they seem to be on the verge of collapse. Three starters have collapsed and a fourth pitched a great game only to lose 1-0. As moonslav pointed out on another thread, the Sox outscored the Orioles by 6 runs and lost the series 2-1.

    Last night the Sox got 4 singles and 0 runs, tonight so far it's a double, 2 singles, and 1 run in 4 innings.
    collapse...lol, now THATS doom and gloom. they are in first place and had a couple rough starts...collapse?
    walk of win by Hanley last night opening the divison lead... DESPITE Farrell once again thinking he HAS to hit a RH vs a LHP and vice versa.... Girardi schooled Farrell last night to get his matchup with Young. unfortunately for NY Young was HBP. Benni has good numbers vs LHP. there was no need to PH for him., Maybe Young for JBJ that way Girardi either has to switch to is RHP vs Young allowing Benni to hit vs RHP or let him pitch to Young and Benni... Hill strikes fear in no pitcher, LH or RH. Young does vs LHP. so OBVIOUSLY you PH young for JBJ first to make Girardi switch pitcher and giving benni a RHP or having Girardi make yet another move for a lesser LHP for Benni... Farrell hasnt a clue. he got lucky Betences was off his game.
    believe me, Im ecstatic they won, but I still want Farrell GONE after the season...Overall, the guys a tool when it comes to managing a game....
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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    If Showalter or Girardi managed the Red Sox we would be leading the Division by 5 games.
    yeah...because girardi showed how great of an in game manager he was last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    yeah...because girardi showed how great of an in game manager he was last night.
    this isnt a comparison Slash...I dont like the way Farrell manages a game...although I do think Girardi is overall a better in game manager...every manager makes some bonehead moves, but Farrell takes it to a new level.Ive never complained this much about any manager

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    Not really that concerned about the playoffs TBH. I'm already satisfied with the performance of this team in DD's first season. His job was to make the Red Sox relevant. Even if we're one-and-done in the playoffs, I still consider that mission accomplished -- FOR THIS SEASON. Next season the expectations will increase. And of course whenever we are eliminated, it's going to be disappointing, but I think it's vital not to lose perspective. For now, I'm just happy the team is in the hunt again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw777 View Post
    this isnt a comparison Slash...I dont like the way Farrell manages a game...although I do think Girardi is overall a better in game manager...every manager makes some bonehead moves, but Farrell takes it to a new level.Ive never complained this much about any manager
    i hear ya lefty. i was only relaying that to the poster that pins every loss on JF. i know you have been frustrated by him for awhile and i will def buy you a beer when the day comes that he gets the ax.
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    ...Girardi schooled Farrell last night to get his matchup with Young. unfortunately for NY Young was HBP...

    Farrell may have foreseen, if that's possible, the expected switch and match-up an still preferred that one to the previous one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    If Showalter or Girardi managed the Red Sox we would be leading the Division by 5 games.
    Like how Girardi put Betances out there for the third game in a row (coming off of a 36 pitch outing) to blow a 3 run lead?

    Showalter is one of those managers who is good in a lot of ways, but somehow did not get credit for Baltimore being 17 games worse than 2014 despite similar personnel.

    Farrell is not perfect, but it is hard to see where this team has actually underachieved. Indeed, you look at his bullpen choices in a lot of these games, and he has made the choices most sentient adults would have made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk7326 View Post
    Like how Girardi put Betances out there for the third game in a row (coming off of a 36 pitch outing) to blow a 3 run lead?

    Showalter is one of those managers who is good in a lot of ways, but somehow did not get credit for Baltimore being 17 games worse than 2014 despite similar personnel.

    Farrell is not perfect, but it is hard to see where this team has actually underachieved. Indeed, you look at his bullpen choices in a lot of these games, and he has made the choices most sentient adults would have made.
    I am glad that you are happy with him as the manager. I think he is a below average game manager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    I am glad that you are happy with him as the manager. I think he is a below average game manager.
    I do not think he is an amazing game manager - although his tendency to undermanage is fine (if you are going to err, that's the right direction). I think the Red Sox have been about - or slightly better than - what I expected given the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk7326 View Post
    I do not think he is an amazing game manager - although his tendency to undermanage is fine (if you are going to err, that's the right direction). I think the Red Sox have been about - or slightly better than - what I expected given the roster.
    I think we would have won more games with another manager.
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    If you think you are disappointed in Farrell, you should check out some NYY message boards, or even just talk to some Yankees fans around town. All of the ones I know personally are wondering why he hasn't been fired yet, and the ones online are basically calling for the guy to be drawn and quartered. I don't think anyone ever really likes the manager of their favorite team. Every loss hurts, even if you know intellectually that a team can't go 162-0, and there's always going to be the temptation to blame it on the boss.
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    Yea got hand it to the Sox, they just could not go queitly into the night. Well, they are just post-poning the inevitable.
    - From the 2004 ALCS Game 4 Gamethread. A reminder that no game is over until the final out is recorded, and things will always get better. Misspellings unchanged as a reminder that Yankees fans are just terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youk Of The Nation View Post
    If you think you are disappointed in Farrell, you should check out some NYY message boards, or even just talk to some Yankees fans around town. All of the ones I know personally are wondering why he hasn't been fired yet, and the ones online are basically calling for the guy to be drawn and quartered. I don't think anyone ever really likes the manager of their favorite team. Every loss hurts, even if you know intellectually that a team can't go 162-0, and there's always going to be the temptation to blame it on the boss.
    I think you're right.

    And as I always point out, Francona took an extraordinary amount of abuse even with his admirable record.

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