June 1st vs. New York

[schillingouttheks]

Alriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! Yanks vs. Sox Round 4 baby. Let's just sweep them and knock them the fuck out of contention, how's that sound? Wake in game 1, Schilling in game 2, and Beckett in game 3. I'm feeling good about tonight so I wanted to throw some schillingouttheks mojo out there... GO SOX!

Game Info:
Date: Friday, June 1st, 2007
Teams: New York Yankees (22-29) @ Boston Red Sox (36-16)
First Pitch: 7:05pm EDT
Venue: Fenway Park, Boston, Massachusetts
TV: NESN
Starting Pitchers:
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http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/50x50/nyy.gif#40 Chien-Ming Wang (3-4, 4.13)
http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/50x50/bos.gif#49 Tim Wakefield (5-5, 3.36)

Mojo of the day:

http://www.retroduck.com/images/products/99/99-0052r.jpg

V_EtilGNAEI

WILD AND CRAZY KIDS MOJO!

Oh yes, and ORS, what will rule the day?

[ORS]

This.

http://www.stevenellis.com/steven_ellis_the_complete/images/knuckleball.jpg

[EvilDonut]

Dougie's going deep. Heard it here first.

We really should be able to take the series, and if we do...............

[mtbykr]

Just win!

[Youk Of The Nation]

I love this. If the Sox sweep, 16.5 games. If they win two of three, 14.5 games. One of three, 12.5 games. If the Yankees sweep (incredibly unlikely), 10.5 games.

No matter what happens, its a commanding lead.

[Anuj09]

http://www.independentcritics.com/images/boondock%20saints%20SPLASH.jpg


Destroy all that which is evil.
So that which is good may flourish

And shepherds we shall be
For Thee, my Lord, for Thee
Power hath descended forth from Thy hand
That our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command
So we shall flow a river forth to Thee
And teeming with souls shall it ever be
In nomine Patri, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti

May the Saints protect the Sox Lead

[Thumper]

Just win.

[kyahbean]

I love this. If the Sox sweep, 16.5 games. If they win two of three, 14.5 games. One of three, 12.5 games. If the Yankees sweep (incredibly unlikely), 10.5 games.

No matter what happens, its a commanding lead.

http://www.theforumsite.com/images/smilies/rock.gif

[Youk Of The Nation]

I cant believe we dont play the Rays until July. Feels like we usually play them every other week.

[Mirabellifan]

I am wicked pumped for this series we better sweep!


Dougie's going deep. Heard it here first.

We really should be able to take the series, and if we do...............

He better do something or i'll have to get a new favorite<_<

[Optimist]

Wow...that video...a tad unsettling.

[kyahbean]

Wow...that video...a tad unsettling.

Yeah. Jesus. I could only watch like 40 seconds of it. :blink:

[mtbykr]

Geez i bet that german kid is a yanks fan and that video was taken recently while he was watching a game on MLBTV:lol:

[mtbykr]

A little more Boondock Mojo:


http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7276/theboondocksaintsbykadaaf1.gif

[schillingouttheks]

Boondock Saints is one of the greatest movies I've ever seen.

[adam123]

Lets get the brooms out . Time for lil yankees to go to bed .. GO SOX !!!

[mtbykr]

Boondock Saints is one of the greatest movies I've ever seen.

Agree 100% :thumbsup:

[RedSoxRooter]

Man... How bad is the weather looking up there? This better not be a rainout. I have plans for tomorrow!

[adam123]

Agree 100% :thumbsup:


Hey there man do you know where i can get a print of your avatar ??

[schillingouttheks]

Man... How bad is the weather looking up there? This better not be a rainout. I have plans for tomorrow!

Eh, it stopped outside my house. I live like 10 minutes from Fenway...it was just thunder and lightning a second ago but now it stopped altogether.

[schillingouttheks]

Blah, the forecast says scattered thunderstorms all night. Hopefully it's not a big deal with the game.

[Coco's Disciples]

At about 5:20 it began to T&L. Rained pretty hard for a bit, but right now it is light to none.

[Seldini]

I'm on the South Shore and it just dropped from 90 to 65 during the thunderstorm. Wow.

[riverside sluggers]

Adam, lets put away the "broom talk" until, if, the Sox win the first 2 games


Chien-Ming Wang (10 games vs Boston, 4-4 with a 4.78 ERA---Career at Fenway Park in 5 games, 2-2 with a 5.83 ERA)
Julio Lugo, 6 for 28 (.214 avg) Double, RBI, 5 Walks, 5 Ks, 2 SBs
Kevin Youkilis, 7 for 18 (.389 avg) 3 Doubles, RBI, 6 Walks, K
David Ortiz, 12 for 24 (.500 avg) 3 Doubles, 2 HRs, 8 RBIs, 5 Walks, 2 Ks
Manny Ramirez, 13 for 22 (.591 avg) 2 HRs, 5 RBIs, 4 Walks, 3 Ks
J.D. Drew, 0 for 6
Mike Lowell, 3 for 19 (.158 avg) Double, 3 Walks, 2 Ks
Coco Crisp, 5 for 17 (.294 avg) Triple, Walk, 2 Ks, SB
Doug Mirabelli, 3 for 10 (.300 avg) RBI
Dustin Pedroia, 3 for 3 (1.000 avg) 2 Doubles, RBI
///
Alex Cora, 6 for 16 (.313 avg) HR, 4 RBIs
Eric Hinske, 10 for 20 (.500 avg) 4 Doubles, 2 HRs, 3 RBIs, Walk
Wily Mo Pena, 0 for 5, 2 Ks
Jason Varitek, 1 for 12 (.083 avg) HR, RBI, 2 Ks


Tim Wakefield (45 games vs New York, 9-16 & 1 save with a 5.03 ERA---Career at Fenway Park in 231 games, 68-63 & 13 saves with a 4.32 ERA)
Johnny Damon, 16 for 53 (.302 avg) 3 Doubles, Triple, 2 HRs, 5 RBIs, 7 Walks, 9 Ks, 5 SBs
Derek Jeter, 28 for 90 (.311 avg) Double, Triple, 3 HRs, 9 RBIs, 5 Walks, 15 Ks, 9 SBs
Hideki Matsui, 7 for 45 (.156 avg) Double, 2 HRs, 3 RBIs, 6 Walks, 7 Ks, SB
Alex Rodriguez, 18 for 68 (.265 avg) 6 HRs, 9 RBIs, 10 Walks, 19 Ks, 5 SBs
Jorge Posada, 14 for 61 (.230 avg) 4 Doubles, 3 HRs, 14 RBIs, 13 Walks, 10 Ks
Robinson Cano, 9 for 29 (.310 avg) 3 Doubles, Triple, 2 HRs, 8 RBIs, 4 Ks
Bobby Abreu, 6 for 19 (.316 avg) 2 Doubles, 3 Walks, 3 Ks, 3 SBs
Josh Phelps, 8 for 25 (.320 avg) Double, 3 RBIs, 4 Walks, 7 Ks
Melky Cabrera, 2 for 4 (.500 avg) Double, 2 RBIs, Walk
///
Miguel Cairo, 4 for 18 (.222 avg) Double, Walk, 4 Ks, SB
Doug Mientkiewicz, 1 for 19 (.053 avg) Double, Walk, 3 Ks

Wang this season vs Boston in 3 games, 2-1 with a 4.50 ERA. This season on the road in 3 games, 2-1 with a 3.79 ERA.

Wakefield this season vs New York in 3 games, 0-3 with a 10.93 ERA. At home in 4 games, 1-3 with a 6.46 ERA

[riverside sluggers]

Oh by the way Dustin Pedroia led all of baseball with a .415 avg in April, while his partner on the right side of the infield Youkils was 2nd with a .402 avg

He also ranks 4th in OBP for major league 2nd baseman

[Coco's Disciples]

Rain Delay...

[ksushi]

Any word on if this game is getting in?

[RedSoxRooter]

7:30 gametime
By Amalie Benjamin, Globe Staff
It was just announced in the press box that they expect to start tonight's game at 7:30 p.m.

The tarp was just taken off the field.

I believe there is much rejoicing in Mudville

[Thumper]

Good first inning by Wakefield. Do that for 5 or 6 more and we've got this.

[Thumper]

COME ON POSADA! QUIT STALLING!

[Coco's Disciples]

Lowell made a great play there.

[Thumper]

Good eye Papi 1-0 pitch coming.

[Thumper]

Good walk.

Now Manny can get us a nice early two shot.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Has Lowell been moved up to 5th at all this year? I'd much rather have him up in this situation than Drew.

[Thumper]

This is where Drew shows he's truely good..

[Thumper]

Has Lowell been moved up to 5th at all this year? I'd much rather have him up in this situation than Drew.

Why? Drew's a left handed hitter. It's better to have him in this situation than Lowell really.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Why? Drew's a left handed hitter. It's better to have him in this situation than Lowell really.

...because Drew is 17 of his last 117...

I'd rather have Lowell up without a bat in his hand.

[Thumper]

Well here we are, bases loaded, two outs, Mike Lowell for the clutch.

[Thumper]

Only the first inning. We've got a ways to go.

[riverside sluggers]

While Lowells bat has been hot, I wouldve much rather liked seeing Hinske with his good #s agaisnt Wang

[TedWilliams101]

I'm telling you, Lugo and JD Drew should be dropped down in the lineup.

Lets go Wake. And please give him some support, guys, no more leaving the bases load!

[HeadOfSoxNation]

While Lowells bat has been hot, I wouldve much rather liked seeing Hinske with his good #s agaisnt Wang

I wasn't just talking about this EXACT situation in particular...I just mean protecting Manny and batting in the 5 hole in general. It just seems like, with the ridiculous slump that Drew is in, he might benefit from less pressure hitting down in the lineup.

[riverside sluggers]

well thats bullshit, nesn came back to the game after arod was announced

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Is Thumper on pace to set the record for most useless posts in a gamethread? He posted that Ortiz was going to be receiving a 1-0 pitch... :)

[riverside sluggers]

I wasn't just talking about this EXACT situation in particular...I just mean protecting Manny and batting in the 5 hole in general. It just seems like, with the ridiculous slump that Drew is in, he might benefit from less pressure hitting down in the lineup.

I know I was just commenting on Hinske being 11 for 19 against Wang, you dont keep these numbers on the bench for a guy whos just now 3 for 19. I wasnt referring to the 5 hole predicament

[TedWilliams101]

That pitch to strike out Posada was just NASTY!

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I know I was just commenting on Hinske being 11 for 19 against Wang, you dont keep these numbers on the bench for a guy whos just now 3 for 19. I wasnt referring to the 5 hole predicament

Gotcha. Good call. I didn't realize Hinske's numbers were that nasty against Wang.

[Coco's Disciples]

Cano-no. 2-0.

[TedWilliams101]

WTF Wake. Come on. You know you don't get enough run support to give up runs!

[Thumper]

I wanna smack that bitch who picked up the ball and cheered.

[TedWilliams101]

Come on Wake. Come on.

[riverside sluggers]

Wake's pitches are dead center this inning

[Thumper]

I hope we don't have to start the bullpen THIS early.

[Thumper]

Wake what are you doing?!

[kyahbean]

Uggghhhhhh

[TedWilliams101]

Wakefield can't find the plate. Come on.

[Coco's Disciples]

2 straight walks. Sacks full for Damon. Ugh.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

The Sox'll score 5 runs this game...we've gotta limit the inevitable damage from this inning...

[Coco's Disciples]

3 straight walks. 3-0.

[TedWilliams101]

Get Snyder ready.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Way to go, El Capitan!

[Thumper]

Bases loaded walk for another run...

Tito...

WARM UP THE BULLPEN.

[riverside sluggers]

Thank you Wake, really

[TedWilliams101]

Finally. Settle down Wake, or this is going to be a long game.

[Thumper]

Thank God for that double play.

[Coco's Disciples]

That was needed. Now score.

[TedWilliams101]

Yea Coco. Lets get something started.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Send Coco?

I would.

Mirabelli runs like he has a piano on his back and Wang induces TONS of groundballs. Gotta stay out of the DP.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Coco didn't tag on that ball?!? Jeeeeeeeeez!

[TedWilliams101]

Come on Dougie, time to pull it together again.

[TedWilliams101]

Theres my "should be leadoff hitter" Pedroia. Nice double. Lets get RUNS!!!!!! Nice tasty RUNS!

[schillingouttheks]

Great fuckin' job Pedroia!!!! Kid's a stud.

[ORS]

Kid is just flat raking.

[Coco's Disciples]

Eh, 1 run scored on the Lugo groundout. 3-1.

[TedWilliams101]

Here we go Youk, extend that streak.

[jacksonianmarch]

seriously, Derek Jeter is on my shitlist. I love the guy, he's the captain, but that ab was inexcuseable. Bases loaded, Wake walking the park and he swings first pitch into a DP. WTF??

[Coco's Disciples]

Out of all the problems, Derek Jeter should not be near the top. It was a bad at bat, but he's having a great year.

[riverside sluggers]

Lugo has been clutch when given RISP. He is tops among leadoff hitters with 31 RBIs

Atta boy Dusty ;)

[HeadOfSoxNation]

seriously, Derek Jeter is on my shitlist. I love the guy, he's the captain, but that ab was inexcuseable. Bases loaded, Wake walking the park and he swings first pitch into a DP. WTF??

I don't disagree with swinging at the first pitch...I was half expecting Wake to throw a fastball (or his equivalent to one) on the first pitch just to get ahead. However, as soon as you see that it's NOT the fastball, there's no way you swing.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

WOWWWW...Youk looked like he went around twice on that swing.

Edit: Cancel that on the replay.

[Coco's Disciples]

I love when opposing players assume strikes.

[Thumper]

Go bitch Torre.

[TedWilliams101]

Nice walk. Here we go Papi. Now would be the IDEAL time to break out of your HR slump. Come on. Get it done.

[Coco's Disciples]

Youk walks, Papi is the go ahead run. Hereeee we go.

[Thumper]

Okay Papi SMASH it!

[jacksonianmarch]

he didnt go around, but that was a strike. Hosed again. That should be the name of 07.

Yankees 07 season, the hosejob of all hosejobs. How injury, umpires and age killed a promising season

[Coco's Disciples]

Yeee Papi single, 3-2.

[TedWilliams101]

There we go. Papi getting it done. I love it.

Now its time for Manny to get an RBI. Pop one over the Monster.

[ORS]

Let's see some of that light-tower power Manny.

[Coco's Disciples]

Manny single, sacks full for Drew. Now's the time JD.

[TedWilliams101]

Nice hit. Come on JD. Stop sucking, please. If he screws this up I'm going to die inside.

[Thumper]

Bases loaded on a Manny single. Drew... don't get out.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Yankees 07 season, the hosejob of all hosejobs. How injury, umpires and age killed a promising season

Yankees 07 Season: How underperforming, overpaying, and half-year starters spell a disappointing year.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yankees 07 Season: How underperforming, overpaying, and half-year starters spell a disappointing year.

dont forget old, slow, injury prone and poor umpiring.

[TedWilliams101]

JD, just walk. Thats all I ask of you. Walk. Let Lowell do the swinging.

[kyahbean]

Cmon cmon cmon cmon

[TedWilliams101]

Come on Drew, don't do what I think your about to do. Please.

[Coco's Disciples]

Annnnnd ya suck. 3-2 after 2.

[jacksonianmarch]

he done did it.

[kyahbean]

Dammit.

HAHA they were all chanting at him. :lol:

[Thumper]

WALK PLEASE

[TedWilliams101]

I hate Drew. 1/3 of the way through the season and he hasn't done a single thing to help this team.

[Thumper]

Ortiz should have yelled out "MINE" as he got to third.

[ORS]

dont forget old, slow, injury prone and poor umpiring.
First 3? I agree. The Umps? It always ends up balancing out. Hell, the balance with Youk is net-zero now, because if you will be so kind as to remember, he got hosed on 3-1 with the bases loaded in the last series in NY.

[riverside sluggers]

First 2 innings leaving the bases loaded

were the fans chanting "ha" when arod caught the pop up?

[HeadOfSoxNation]

dont forget old, slow, injury prone and poor umpiring.

The poor umpiring doesn't even warrant mentioning...

I'll give you 6 GAMES back and you're still well out of 1st, and I guarantee umpires haven't cost you 6 games.

[TedWilliams101]

AHHHHH. AROD HAHAHAHAHAHAH. MINE!!!! AHAHAHAH. MINE!

Idoit.

[schillingouttheks]

Thumper and TW101 go through the funniest mindfucks when Drew doesn't come through. I know he hasn't done much, but you guys bitch about it EVERY TIME.

Haha A-Rod.

[Coco's Disciples]

Haha nice Manny. ARod is getting 3 earfuls.

[schillingouttheks]

Idoit.

:lol:

[Coco's Disciples]

Nice comeback inning for Wake. Score...more?

[jacksonianmarch]

AHHHHH. AROD HAHAHAHAHAHAH. MINE!!!! AHAHAHAH. MINE!

Idoit.

wow, you and adam redefine stupidity.

[riverside sluggers]

Arod dint want to hear what Manny was saying to him from the outfield :harhar:

[TedWilliams101]

oops, *idiot. lol


I know I bitch about Drew, but I really hated the signing and he has been horible. It's the $14 million for a shitty player that pisses me off. Bring up Ellsbury! lol.

[schillingouttheks]

Drew is not a shitty player. Prove to me that he is. I dare you.

[TedWilliams101]

Simple typing mistake Jacksonian. At least I don't make absurd statements that aren't backed up by stats.

[kyahbean]

were the fans chanting "ha" when arod caught the pop up?

They were shouting "I got it!!" :lol:

[Coco's Disciples]

Coco steal. 3 cheers for contributing!

[Thumper]

Mirabelli.... why do we have him again?

[TedWilliams101]

There we go Dougie. Let that be a spark. Pedroia time.

[Thumper]

Coco steal. 3 cheers for contributing!

Hip Hip Jorge? Ha ha.

Nice steal by Crisp. He may be a weak bat, but he's good for base running and fielding.

[Coco's Disciples]

Douglas! 1st and 3rd for the Dust Bunny. (That was unbelievably gay)

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Mirabelli.... why do we have him again?

Are you serious? Tell me you're not Thumper, tell me you're not.

[VA Sox Fan]

FYI TedWillaims101 Not that it applies to this game but for any future possibilities, from the Globe today:

"By any interpretation, A-Rod's play comes under the umbrella of baseball's unwritten rules.

There are certain things you just don't do. You don't talk about your pitcher's no-hitter while the game is in progress, you don't bunt to break up a no-hitter, you don't steal bases or swing at 3-and-0 pitches with a big lead,........"

[Coco's Disciples]

Ahh DUSTIN PEDROIA IS THE FUCKING MAN. 2nd double tonight, 3-3.

[lorddraco98]

dped coming through!

[TedWilliams101]

PEDROIA. 2nd Double of the game, ties it up, 2nd and 3rd with 1 down. Baby. Alright Lugo. Please get a HIT here. Please.

[ORS]

Mirabelli.... why do we have him again?
Dougie stuffs Thumper's head in the toilet and rips a good fart.

Me gusta Pedroia.

[schillingouttheks]

Pedroia is a stud.

[jacksonianmarch]

Simple typing mistake Jacksonian. At least I don't make absurd statements that aren't backed up by stats.

are you serious? Wow. You are pretty stupid.

[TedWilliams101]

VA fan, I agree with those unwritten rules. But you forget, those are for THE PLAYERS, NOT the fans. Its fine for fans to talk about a no-no.

[riverside sluggers]

Dusty!! He can only go up from here still :) Jacko, care to back off your assesment of him?

[Thumper]

Pedroia is really showing himself tonight. Good job.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Pedroia is a stud.

I'm stilllllllllllllll not 100% convinced that he's going to continue hitting like this...but if he does, I'll be the first one to eat my words...just throw some Frank's on it and I'll eat a full meal.

[TedWilliams101]

Sure Jacksonian, and giving up a HR per 9 is astronomically bad, "pavano" bad...

[Thumper]

Are you serious? Tell me you're not Thumper, tell me you're not.

What are you talking about?

I'm not saying I don't like Mirabelli. I just don't get him. I mean, kick ass single to help us out and I know we need a back up for Tek, but isn't there someone better that's available?

[VA Sox Fan]

VA fan, I agree with those unwritten rules. But you forget, those are for THE PLAYERS, NOT the fans. Its fine for fans to talk about a no-no.

NEVERMIND.....some people get it, some people don't....:dunno: IT'S NOT OK!

[Thumper]

It's okay Lugo. Keep wearing out the pitcher.

[riverside sluggers]

Why is Mirabelli going on contact??

[TedWilliams101]

Lugo swung at ball 4 twice...

[ORS]

What are you talking about?

I'm not saying I don't like Mirabelli. I just don't get him. I mean, kick ass single to help us out and I know we need a back up for Tek, but isn't there someone better that's available?
Do you really not know why he's on the team? Haven't been following the Sox that long have we?

[VA Sox Fan]

What are you talking about?

I'm not saying I don't like Mirabelli. I just don't get him. I mean, kick ass single to help us out and I know we need a back up for Tek, but isn't there someone better that's available?

Who is gonna catch for Wakefield? Seriously, did you just start watching the Sox this year?

[Thumper]

That was ugly. Not in a bad way, just an ugly out for us.

[TedWilliams101]

Sorry VA Sox Fan, I'm just not superstitious like that. We'll, except for the playoffs. Lol.

[riverside sluggers]

What are you talking about?

I'm not saying I don't like Mirabelli. I just don't get him. I mean, kick ass single to help us out and I know we need a back up for Tek, but isn't there someone better that's available?

sure maybe the sox can sign 3 or 4 catchers to catch for Wake... oh wait they already did that. Finding a backup catcher is one of the easiest things to do, now finding a backup catcher who can catch a knuckleball is another story

[kyahbean]

Do you really not know why he's on the team? Haven't been following the Sox that long have we?

Thank you for saying that, cuz now I don't have to. :)

[TedWilliams101]

Alright Youk. Extend your streak and pickup 2 ribbies. Lets go!

[jacksonianmarch]

sorry. An adam moment.

[Coco's Disciples]

Youk has gotten a couple very lucky ball calls. Couldn't capitalize this time. 3-3 after 3.

[TedWilliams101]

COME ON. Stop leaving men on.

8 team LOB through just 3 innings. Good; were getting on base and hitting wang. Bad; we cashing in as much as we should.

[kyahbean]

:(

[VA Sox Fan]

Sorry VA Sox Fan, I'm just not superstitious like that. We'll, except for the playoffs. Lol.


To each his own Ted, but please, in the future, don't go there....:)

[riverside sluggers]

8 men left on base through the first 3 innings

I really hope these wasted opportunities dont come around and bite them

[Thumper]

Please no more walks from Wakefield.

[kyahbean]

It looked like Mirabelli ran the opposite direction of that ball.

[jacksonianmarch]

softball game!!

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Its been exhausting watching Tim Wakefield lately

[Thumper]

Come on Wakefield, not this again! Snyder should come in if Wakefield gives up another walk.

[jacksonianmarch]

that pitch was exactly the same as the one to youks. Doesnt matter though. Sacks packed. Let me guess. Strikeout then inning ending DP!!! This season is going so well.

[Coco's Disciples]

Ugh, sacks full 0 out.

[TedWilliams101]

Come on. Bases loaded no outs. I think I'm going to puke. Time for the Yankees to CHOKE.

[Thumper]

Okay, Wakefield is done.

[riverside sluggers]

Ok get the fucking bullpen warmed up

Sox batters pay attention, this is how you make a team pay for getting the bases loaded

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Is anyone else being forced to watch this game on Yes? And think it was absolutely hysterical when Michael Homer Kay suggested that there would be retaliation after Lowell got hit? Ridiculous.

[Coco's Disciples]

Wild pitch, how lovely. 4-3.

[jacksonianmarch]

Ok get the fucking bullpen warmed up

Sox batters pay attention, this is how you make a team pay for getting the bases loaded

yep, wait for the wild pitch. Wakefield has no idea where it is going.

[TedWilliams101]

Great. Wild pitch, and no DP possibility. UGH.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Can we get Tim Wakefield out of the game before he puts this game out of reach

[riverside sluggers]

no DP, this should be his last batter

sooo when is his next good stretch coming?

[Thumper]

Full count to Cabrera. Come on, K the fucker.

[ORS]

Well, this is what you get with Wake. A period of dominance. A period of dreadfulness. In the end, he'll be right around league average. He's an immense value, but you have to accept the volatility.

[Coco's Disciples]

Single, 5-3. Outs maybe?

[kyahbean]

Ah fuck

[riverside sluggers]

Tito's M.O. Dont pull a starting pitcher until the game really gets out of hand

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'd much rather see Kason Gabbard pitching in our rotation than Tim Wakefield....or Clay Buchholz....or Jon Lester

[Thumper]

Anyone else getting a stomach ache?

[jacksonianmarch]

6-3. My guess, you guys tie it up next inning.

[TedWilliams101]

This is getting very ugly very quickly.

[kyahbean]

UGH Mirabelli!!! Wakefield!!!

[riverside sluggers]

Mirabelli is on my shit list tonight

Duh duh duh Tito

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

At what point to the Red Sox say goodbye to Tim Wakefield and Doug Mirabelli

....great guys....but I'm not feeling it anymore from them

[Thumper]

Okay I don't know who's doing worse... Wakefield blowing wild pitches or Mirabelli unable to block the pitch?

[jacksonianmarch]

another wonderful at bat from our resident cripple. Jesus.

[example1]

I would say this is pretty much the reason that I won't cry if Wakefield isn't in the starting rotation in 08 and beyond. I love what he has done with the Red Sox, but this team is too good to lose on 31 walks and 12 passed balls while having a 5th day catcher who hits as well as the pitcher would. I hope Clay Buchholz doesn't get too comfortable in the minors.

[jacksonianmarch]

At what point to the Red Sox say goodbye to Tim Wakefield and Doug Mirabelli

....great guys....but I'm not feeling it anymore from them

only a month ago, Wake was the toast of the town.

[Thumper]

72 pitches already... You know Wakefield's gotta be taken out.

[jacksonianmarch]

Graeme Lloyd, Homer Bush, and David Wells

[riverside sluggers]

only a month ago, Wake was the toast of the town.

ugh, you still believe that everyone was thinking he was going to have a sub 3 ERA all year? We fucking know he goes through these droughts

[kyahbean]

Is anyone else being forced to watch this game on Yes? And think it was absolutely hysterical when Michael Homer Kay suggested that there would be retaliation after Lowell got hit? Ridiculous.

I'm watching it on YES because it's in HD there...I'm always tempted to switch to the NESN feed, because the announcers actually have brains...but high definition baseball is just so pretty.

[jacksonianmarch]

ugh, you still believe that everyone was thinking he was going to have a sub 3 ERA all year? We fucking know he goes through these droughts

then you also know he goes through times of being unreal. You guys shit on him a lot, but really dont see how much he means to your team.

[example1]

only a month ago, Wake was the toast of the town.

By the uninformed. Most of us were talking about the certainty of his crash back to earth.

[riverside sluggers]

then you also know he goes through times of being unreal. You guys shit on him a lot, but really dont see how much he means to your team.

Umm hello where the fuck have I shit on him? Ive said before I think he is a valuable asset to this team. An afford 5th starter who will give you a lot of innings and a 4.50ish ERA. Yankee fans love grouping every red sox fan into the same line of thinking

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

then you also know he goes through times of being unreal. You guys shit on him a lot, but really dont see how much he means to your team.

He is a .500 pitcher you retard....maybe the Yanks would love to get there hands on a guy like that but....I'd be more interested on getting guys that have a chance to win more games than lose

[jacksonianmarch]

Umm hello where the fuck have I shit on him? Ive said before I think he is a valuable asset to this team. An afford 5th starter who will give you a lot of innings and a 4.50ish ERA. Yankee fans love grouping every red sox fan into the same line of thinking

sorry dude. It is hard to separate out who says what.

[MANNYHOF24]

Why the fuck did Tito let Wake go this long. He should have been taken out after the second inning.

[riverside sluggers]

And Wakefield has finally been pulled, gee Tito that didnt take you long at all

[Thumper]

Nothing but love for Wakefield. But he's GOT to get out.

THANK YOU TITO!

[kyahbean]

Man he's out already only the 4th.

[MANNYHOF24]

He is a .500 pitcher you retard....maybe the Yanks would love to get there hands on a guy like that but....I'd be more interested on getting guys that have a chance to win more games than lose

You are a moron.

[jacksonianmarch]

He is a .500 pitcher you retard....maybe the Yanks would love to get there hands on a guy like that but....I'd be more interested on getting guys that have a chance to win more games than lose

Wow. Dude. Um, you do know that the "average" major league 5th starter has a 6+ ERA and is well below .500 right? Who's the retard now?

[example1]

then you also know he goes through times of being unreal. You guys shit on him a lot, but really dont see how much he means to your team.

We see how much he means to our team, but it was much more tolerable when Mirabelli hit more than .110 and we didn't have any other options. Again, this team is too good and too high priced to settle for a league average (albeit reliably so) pitcher who can't pitch to Varitek.

[MANNYHOF24]

We see how much he means to our team, but it was much more tolerable when Mirabelli hit more than .110 and we didn't have any other options. Again, this team is too good and too high priced to settle for a league average (albeit reliably so) pitcher who can't pitch to Varitek.

You are a moron.

[jacksonianmarch]

if you think your backup catcher needs to hit, guess again. Many teams have a horrible backup catcher. Hell, ours has 2 hits on the SEASON. I'd venture to guess that Mirabelli has been a better than average backup catcher (overall, he has had one hell of an awful start).

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Wow. Dude. Um, you do know that the "average" major league 5th starter has a 6+ ERA and is well below .500 right? Who's the retard now?

Yeah thats great....Tim Wakefield isn't our 5th starter...we actually have to count on him....thus far I'm not that excited about having him as a 4th starter....Schilling is off and on at his old age, Matsuzaka is not where he needs to be (not entirely his fault), Beckett is an ace, Tavarez is what he is....we need Wakefield to be competitive.....he is not competitive right now.

Everyone lets it go because of our current record but....sorry I'm just not satisfied I think this team could be better

[example1]

You are a moron.

<_<

Who are you?

[riverside sluggers]

Wakefield's last 4 starts (NY, TEX, NY, DET)

*1-2, 8.92 ERA
23.2 innings, 28 Hits, 23 Runs, 4 HRs, 13 Walks, 12 Ks

EDIT: Fuck it all, Snyder

[MANNYHOF24]

<_<

Who are you?

Well, seeing how other than the last 2 weeks, Wakefield has been much more reliable then Schill, and DiceK. Honestly to say that Wake isn't a highly valuable is absurd.

[riverside sluggers]

9-3, time to start packing jesus christ

[Coco's Disciples]

9-3. 6 run inning.

[jacksonianmarch]

9-3. So, you guys will tie us up by the 6th.

[kyahbean]

WTF I left for like 5 minutes and I come back and the score is 9-3?!?!

[Thumper]

I'm turning the game off. I can't watch this horror flick.

[MANNYHOF24]

9-3. So, you guys will tie us up by the 6th.

Hilarious

[jacksonianmarch]

maybe this is what our offense needed? No Giambi, Damon in the DH hole and a decimated team trying to claw back. Too little, too late boys.

[Coco's Disciples]

I'm turning the game off. I can't watch this horror flick.

You'd better stay. This is fahhh from over.

[TedWilliams101]

I'm about to change the channel. This sucks.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hilarious

with the way our SP and relief has been, there is a chance the game has already been tied, we are just behind on the feed.

[riverside sluggers]

maybe this is what our offense needed? No Giambi, Damon in the DH hole and a decimated team trying to claw back. Too little, too late boys.

theyre facing Wakefield who now has an ERA close to 9 over his last 4 starts

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Well, seeing how other than the last 2 weeks, Wakefield has been much more reliable then Schill, and DiceK. Honestly to say that Wake isn't a highly valuable is absurd.

Wakefield is a .500 pitcher. Who cares what he did for a 2 week stretch....by the end of the season he will have as many wins as loses. You think Curt Schilling and Dice K will have a .500 record?

[kyahbean]

I can't not watch but I don't wanna watch.. http://www.theforumsite.com/images/smilies/sconf.gif

[MANNYHOF24]

You'd better stay. This is fahhh from over.

9-3, it would be hard to come back from this one.

[ORS]

I'm turning the game off. I can't watch this horror flick.
Forgot your poncho?

[jacksonianmarch]

Forgot your poncho?

put the pink hat down and step away from the remote.

[Thumper]

You'd better stay. This is fahhh from over.

What? Stay and watch the Skanks just hand our asses to us? You know the routine. We get behind and then we collapse. Only good thing out of this is it's only the first game of this series, and we're still kicking New York ass in the long run. But I can't stand to see us get beat up like that. It fucking hurts.

[riverside sluggers]

Wakefield is a .500 pitcher. Who cares what he did for a 2 week stretch....by the end of the season he will have as many wins as loses. You think Curt Schilling and Dice K will have a .500 record?

Actually it was a stretch of 7 straight starts where he didnt give up more than 3 earned runs, not 2 weeks

[example1]

if you think your backup catcher needs to hit, guess again. Many teams have a horrible backup catcher. Hell, ours has 2 hits on the SEASON. I'd venture to guess that Mirabelli has been a better than average backup catcher (overall, he has had one hell of an awful start).

I think Mirabelli has been an above average backup catcher. He doesn't really bring anything special to the table, except for the ability to catch wakefield.

People can think its moronic to not fear the day that Wakefield isn't in the starting 5 anymore. I don't. I think he is an average to slightly above average pitcher who happens to have a lot of history with this team and who is a class act. There are pitchers out there who may be more than slightly above average, and therefore I want them pitching for this team if it helps them win. Apparently its okay to be perfectly happy with a pitcher who wins as many as he loses.

[jacksonianmarch]

Actually it was a stretch of 7 straight starts where he didnt give up more than 3 earned runs, not 2 weeks

facts? Wut r dose?

[Coco's Disciples]

What? Stay and watch the Skanks just hand our asses to us? You know the routine. We get behind and then we collapse. Only good thing out of this is it's only the first game of this series, and we're still kicking New York ass in the long run. But I can't stand to see us get beat up like that. It fucking hurts.

You obviously haven't watched either of these teams play baseball in 2007.

[MANNYHOF24]

Wakefield is a .500 pitcher. Who cares what he did for a 2 week stretch....by the end of the season he will have as many wins as loses. You think Curt Schilling and Dice K will have a .500 record?

Have you looked at DiceK's run support, then have you looked at Wake's. Wake has these periods, but more often then not he pitches well, especially since about 2003. Wake was 16-12 in 2005 and was our ace that season. He should have won 20 games that season if it wasn't for pathetic run support. Wake should have been like 7-1 to start the season. instead he was 4-3, because of run support. More often than not I want Wakefield in my rotation.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Mirabelli has been an above average backup catcher. He doesn't really bring anything special to the table, except for the ability to catch wakefield.

People can think its moronic to not fear the day that Wakefield isn't in the starting 5 anymore. I don't. I think he is an average to slightly above average pitcher who happens to have a lot of history with this team and who is a class act. There are pitchers out there who may be more than slightly above average, and therefore I want them pitching for this team if it helps them win. Apparently its okay to be perfectly happy with a pitcher who wins as many as he loses.

if you have a .500 pitcher in your 5 hole then you are a really good baseball team.

[jacksonianmarch]

Manny is hitting double a great BA against Wang. That is ridiculous.

[example1]

if you have a .500 pitcher in your 5 hole then you are a really good baseball team.

First of all, again, he's in the FOUR hole.

Second, there will be better options next season. Lester will be there, Buchholz will be close.

[jacksonianmarch]

NO, NO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO VIZCAINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Thumper]

You obviously haven't watched either of these teams play baseball in 2007.

Yeah, I know, we came back with 6 runs and April when we swept the Yankees, but I'm not that optimistic.

[jacksonianmarch]

First of all, again, he's in the FOUR hole.

Second, there will be better options next season. Lester will be there, Buchholz will be close.

that is your GM's fault. Or you could blame it on cancer or injury or whatever.

[kyahbean]

http://www.scubaboard.com/images/smilies/Misc/banghead.gif

[MANNYHOF24]

Wakefield has won 150+ games in his career, he is good in this rotation.

[riverside sluggers]

knew it double play

wang will throw 20 pitches over the next 5 innings for the complete game

And Drew swings at the first pitch, out #3. Just 8 pitches to ease Wang and get those hot Yankee bats back out there

[Coco's Disciples]

Yeah, I know, we came back with 6 runs and April when we swept the Yankees, but I'm not that optimistic.

Not just that. If we can drive Wang out of this game, the Yanks middle relief is VERY hittable. But leave if you must...

[ORS]

Despite the DP, never fear, Gascaino is warming.

[jacksonianmarch]

Despite the DP, never fear, Gascaino is warming.

Just call Vizcaino 93. IE, the octane level of ultra gasoline.

[Thumper]

Not just that. If we can drive Wang out of this game, the Yanks middle relief is VERY hittable. But leave if you must...

True. Farnsworth and Proctor aren't shit. I'll stay for the relivers.

[example1]

that is your GM's fault. Or you could blame it on cancer or injury or whatever.

I guess, but regardless of what spot he's in he's a .500 pitcher. Saying that a .500 pitcher is great on a great team is NOT the same as saying that you can have 5 top tier pitchers. I see no reason this team, with this payroll and front office, can't have 5 GREAT starters. I see no reason to believe this FO will suddenly become sentimental to keep a .500 pitcher who comes with a backup catcher who can't hit and won't be the replacement, in 2 seasons, for Varitek.

[jacksonianmarch]

Abreu and Cano are heating up.

[Thumper]

Wait Lowell got hit? I go to grab a drink to come back and see Lowell get his left wrist hit? They haven't said much on him yet, I'm watching NESN, what's the story? Is he still in?

[jacksonianmarch]

I guess, but regardless of what spot he's in he's a .500 pitcher. Saying that a .500 pitcher is great on a great team is NOT the same as saying that you can have 5 top tier pitchers. I see no reason this team, with this payroll and front office, can't have 5 GREAT starters. I see no reason to believe this FO will suddenly become sentimental to keep a .500 pitcher who comes with a backup catcher who can't hit and won't be the replacement, in 2 seasons, for Varitek.

we have spent over 100 mil on pitchers per season for the last 3 yrs. I'd venture to guess we have had one great pitcher for 2 seasons and none in 04.

[stcjones]

I think Mirabelli has been an above average backup catcher. He doesn't really bring anything special to the table, except for the ability to catch wakefield.

People can think its moronic to not fear the day that Wakefield isn't in the starting 5 anymore. I don't. I think he is an average to slightly above average pitcher who happens to have a lot of history with this team and who is a class act. There are pitchers out there who may be more than slightly above average, and therefore I want them pitching for this team if it helps them win. Apparently its okay to be perfectly happy with a pitcher who wins as many as he loses.


Mirabelli SUCKS.....the guy is one of the weakest hitters and makes a bunch of errors and half a$$ed plays every time he is out there........how about losing a few pounds for starters? That jug headed cheeseburger eater could have worked that middle play a little longer so that at least the baserunner could have gotten to second....but he gave it his usual half a## effort......This will be one "cling on" that I won't mind seeing gone when Wake retires after this season......which he clearly needs to do.........

[riverside sluggers]

Phelps bunting with the yankees on top 9-3... alrighty

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Have you looked at DiceK's run support, then have you looked at Wake's. Wake has these periods, but more often then not he pitches well, especially since about 2003. Wake was 16-12 in 2005 and was our ace that season. He should have won 20 games that season if it wasn't for pathetic run support. Wake should have been like 7-1 to start the season. instead he was 4-3, because of run support. More often than not I want Wakefield in my rotation.

Since 2005 Tim Wakefield has a record of 28-28. True we don't score many runs with Wake in there but having Mirabelli in the lineup doesn't help the offense. You have no choice but to play him.


if you have a .500 pitcher in your 5 hole then you are a really good baseball team.

Last season 2005 World Champion St. Louis Cardinals pitching staff:

Carpenter 21-5
Marquis 13-14
Mulder 16-8
Suppan 16-10
Morris 14-10

Thats the kind of rotation record I want.....sure you can make a comparison of Wakefield to Marquis....but we also have Tavarez who won't have a winning record as a starter

[example1]

Wakefield has won 150+ games in his career, he is good in this rotation.

Tim Wakefield is going to be 42 at the beginning of the year next year. I would move him to the pen, where he has had success in the past, if only a catcher could catch him.

I don't see anyone coming down unfairly on Wakefield here, I see people disagreeing about the value of a .500 pitcher (which I agree has a lot of value) and the impact that having a pitcher who comes with an additional roster spot.