Charlie Zink

[RedSoxRooter]

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Charlie Zink
Age: 24
Born: August 26, 1979, El Dorado Hills, CA
Height: 6-1
Weight: 190
Bats: Right
Throws: Right
Drafted: Not Drafted
How Acquired: Undrafted free agent (2002)
College: Savannah College of Art and Design
ETA: mid-2005

Scouting Report: A hard-throwing right-hander, Zink was signed as an undrafted free agent on the recommendation of Luis Tiant, his former coach at Savannah College of Art and Design. Tim Wakefield has tutored Zink on the fine art of the knuckleball. Zink understands what he needs to do to get hitters out. Good athlete. Also throws fastball and curveball for strikes, using the same delivery as his knuckler. Fearless with his knuckleball, even behind in the count.

It's about time the league saw a new knuckleballer. Zink's off to a rough start this year in AA (1-6, 5.07 ERA) but the Sox are not worried. It would be crazy to have two knuckleballers in the rotation in 2006.

I'll try to find pitching schedules and box scores on Zink and will post them here.

[RedSoxRooter]

Floatin' Right Along
By Rob Neyer
ESPN.com 11/10/03

I have seen the future of the knuckleball, and his name is Zink. Charlie Zink.

This weekend, I was in Phoenix for Ron Shandler's First Pitch Arizona, a symposium for serious fantasy baseball owners. I enjoy the symposium, but the real draw is the baseball, as the Arizona Fall League is in full swing. And Saturday afternoon in Mesa, I was treated to a dream pitching matchup: the Mesa Desert Dogs' Charlie Zink vs. the Mesa Solar Sox's Dewon Brazelton.

Most prospect hounds would be excited about Brazelton, and he was impressive, showing off a solid fastball, a good slider, and a killer changeup while striking out nine Dogs in five innings. But it was Charlie Zink I wanted to see, because Zink, a Red Sox farmhand, is easily the best young knuckleball pitcher in the world. He didn't disappoint, either, allowing just one hit and one walk in five innings.

Zink hadn't fared well in the AFL before Saturday, in part (I suspect) because the knuckleball doesn't dance its normal dance at the Valley's somewhat lofty altitude. But I don't think the Red Sox will hold it against him. 2003 was just Zink's second minor-league season, and here's how he's done so far:

Age Level IP H HR BB SO ERA
22 A 57 44 1 19 59 1.42
23 A/AA/AFL 201 170 16 91 128 3.94

Now, let's look at Tim Wakefield's first three seasons as a knuckleballer:

Age Level IP H HR BB SO ERA
22 A- 40 30 1 21 42 3.40
23 A 190 187 24 85 127 4.73
24 AA 183 155 13 51 120 2.90

Wakefield and Zink were both born in August, which makes comparing them particularly appropriate. And Zink is clearly ahead of Wakefield at the same age. Zink was better at 22, he was better at 23, and at both ages he was pitching against tougher competition. Does this mean that Zink's going to follow Wakefield's career path? Of course not. Wakefield broke through at 24, in Double-A, and there's no guarantee that Zink will.

But Zink will open next season in Double-A, and he'll be 24. As near as I can tell, here's a list of the last three pitchers who had good knuckleballs when they were 24 years old, along with how many games they won in the major leagues:

Wakefield, 116 (so far)
Charlie Hough, 216
Phil Niekro, 318

(Actually, when Niekro was 24 he was in U.S. Army. But he was a pretty good minor-league knuckleballer at 23 and 25.)

The point here is that not many pitchers can throw a knuckleball for strikes while in their early 20s, and the ones who can generally enjoy long major-league careers.

But nobody seems to realize how good Charlie Zink might be. Scouts and writers see Charlie Zink and they think, "Oh, isn't that cute. He throws a knuckleball. If everything works out for him, he's got a chance to be a decent pitcher someday."

One writer, evaluating the Mesa Desert Dogs, listed Zink as a "Sleeper Pitcher" and concluded, "Future #5 Starter/Reliever."

Another writer admitted that "Zink is a very interesting pitcher," and recommended, "Keep an eye on him."

Wrong, guys. I'm going to keep both eyes on him, because he's going to be a good major-league pitcher, a better major-league pitcher than the great majority of the pitchers in the Arizona Fall League who are considered better prospects.

Among all the pitchers in the Arizona Fall League, Zink has the best chance, by far, of enjoying a healthy career, and (to a lesser extent) he also has the best chance of enjoying a long and productive career. Baseball today isn't particularly friendly to knuckleball pitchers -- it's too easy for a mistake to become a home run -- so I don't think it's all that likely that Zink will become a star. If you're looking for a star in the Arizona Fall League, your better bets are Dewon Brazelton, Neal Cotts, or Boof Bonser.

But those guys all have the talent to be No. 1 starters in the major leagues, and Charlie Zink is not that far behind them. I think Zink is likely to have a career something like Tim Wakefield's. And he might be Phil Niekro.

[RedSoxRooter]

Last Start:
Zink last started on Sunday. He pitched well (six innings, one run, three hits, four strikeouts) in a no-decision agains New Britain.

The Sea Dogs eventually won the game in a 9th inning comeback, 4-3.

Next Start:
Either Friday or Saturday night vs. Binghamton.

[yeszir]

Isn't he having some command issues with that knuckle ball of his? In any case, I'm very excited to see him play.

[RedSoxRooter]

Yeah, from what I've been reading, he's been a little wild - though I don't know if it's entirely with the knuckler or with the fastball as well. I'll keep looking and will let you know what the deal is.

[Zenny]

Zink's knuckleballs have been quality, but he hasn't been consistent with his command of it. About 50-75% of them have been big-league quality knuckleballs, but when they aren't, that's when he walks guys or leaves a duck over the plate.

One thing that I question about Zink is his competitive drive. He wanted to be an artist before Luis Tiant basically forced him to become a big-league pitcher. He may not be striving to be all he can be as a knuckler.

[RedSoxRooter]

I think I read an article in a Boston paper mentioning that his first choice was art. I just hope he's like Foulke - baseball's not his first love, but he loves the "art" of pitching.

[RedSoxRooter]

Last Start:
Zink pitched last night against the Mets. He gave up 4 runs in 2+ innings before leaving the game after getting hit by a line drive off the knee cap in the 3rd. He is to be re-evaluated today.

The Sea Dogs eventually beat the Mets 5-4 in 11 innings.

Next Start: TBD.

[RedSoxRooter]

Last Start:
Zink last started on Wednesday. It didn't do so great as he went 5 innings, gave up 8 hits, 7 runs (3 earned) with 4 walks, 2 k and a homer agains Erie.

The Sea Dogs eventually won the game 10-9.

The Season:
Zink stands at 1-6 with a 5.40 ERA after 15 starts.

Next Start:
I think Monday against Norwich. (Fun fact: I grew up in the Norwich area. What a shitty place. B) )

[RedSoxRooter]

Last Start:
Zink last started on Monday. He gave up only two hits over 6 2/3 innings, but he also walked six batters and three of them scored.

Zink left the game with a 2-1 lead, the bases loaded and two outs in the seventh. Derin McMains tagged reliever Juan Perez for a three-run double down the right-field line.

The Sea Dogs eventually lost the game 8-7 in 11 innings.

The Season:
Zink stands at 1-6 with a 5.40 ERA after 16 starts.

Next Start:
I think Saturday.

[RedSoxRooter]

Last Start:
Zink's last start was on Saturday. He kept the Sea Dogs in the game, pitching out of jams in the third and fourth innings. He ended up allowing five hits and four runs over 5 2/3 innings, with two strikeouts and four walks.

Not too great..

The Season:
Zink drops to 1-7 in 17 starts. (could he be our next Bronson Arroyo?? :huh: )

Next Start
Friday I believe.

I sure hope he's learning something new in Portland (like how not to walk so many people), because the results right now ain't too pretty.

[Zenny]

Zink had a fantastic April after spending all Spring Training with Wake. Charlie does have his digits, but he doesn't want to call him because Wake's wife just had a kid. Portland's pitching coach has no idea how to throw a knuckler, so he's clueless on how to help Charlie.

[CrespoBlows]

Maybe a move to the bullpen?

[CrespoBlows]

Where'd Zink go, is he in Double A?

[Zenny]

Yeah, Zink's pitching like shit for Portland.

[CrespoBlows]

I looked at minor league baseball.com and he wasn't listed with the team, so I thought that was weird. Is there a chance he could be demoted?

[Zenny]

You can't demote him, he would still suck. He just has to work through it. It's a touchy situation with knucklers. Zink has a big-league quality knuckleball, it's just that he cannot control it 75% of the time, resulting in the ridiculous amount of walks. If something clicked for him, he could step into a big league rotation tomorrow. Until then, he just has to fight through it and take it one level per year.

[RedSoxRooter]

Boy, I can pick 'em, huh?

From Mainetoday.com (http://sports.mainetoday.com/seadogs/stories/040710seadogs.shtml)

Knuckleball pitcher Charlie Zink (1-8, 5.79) was demoted to Class A Sarasota. Ryan Cameron replaces him in the rotation.

[Zenny]

Well, that makes me look like a complete idiot (see two posts up). I still think he is going to suck there, so I'll be 1/2 right.

[CrespoBlows]

Can anyone find out when he is starting? I live in Sarasota so maybe I'll go see him play.

[RedSoxRooter]

SEA DOGS NOTEBOOK: Kevin Thomas

Zink gets chance to show his mettle and return to Dogs

Copyright © 2004 Blethen Maine Newspapers Inc.

He was the surprise of the 2003 season. Charlie Zink came from Class A Sarasota and, in a sense, from nowhere, to star for the Portland Sea Dogs.

Zink pitched only six games for Portland, but he wowed us with his knuckleball, holding opponents to a .154 batting average. Last Aug. 30, Zink came one out away from a no-hitter.

All of this success came in only Zink's first year of throwing the knuckler.

What could the Hadlock crowds expect in 2004? The answer appears to be a struggle.

Zink was 1-8 for the Sea Dogs with a 5.79 ERA. He leads the Eastern League in walks (72). Zink's difficulties were highlighted Thursday, allowing five runs in three innings in an 11-2 loss to Trenton.

On Friday, Zink was sent back to Sarasota.

"We need to get him there because maybe he was putting too much pressure on himself," Sea Dogs Manager Ron Johnson said.

"Here's a guy who came out of obscurity and created a name for himself last year. He came up last year and dominated.

"He's had innings where his stuff has been really good, but the consistency of inning to inning to inning has not been there. It was time to stop the bleeding, get him fixed, and then get him back here."


Well, it looks like they haven't given up on him. I'll try and see when he starts next for Sarasota.

[CrespoBlows]

Zink got ripped in his first start

4.2 IP 5 ER's

[RedSoxRooter]

The official line was.

4.2 innings pitched, 5 hits, 5 runs, 3 earned runs, 4 walks, 1 K, 5.79 ERA.

There were 2 errors in the game, one by Zink and one by the catcher. The leadoff man got on base 3 of the 5 innings Zink started - 2 by walks.

Not too impressive. I wish I could see him pitch, I have no idea how he looks. Maybe a first pitch fastball for a strike, then mix in the knuckler. Or vice versa, maybe that would help. I also wonder if maybe the umps are a little thrown off by the knuckler (wishfull thinking)... maybe Zen knows more.

[Zenny]

No, he's all over the place. I watched him pitch in Portland (on NESN). Sometimes, the thing would be over the hitter's head and didn't have the traditional downward movement. Other times, it would be in the dirt before the plate. He has no control over that thing.

[CrespoBlows]

Zenny's prediction is looking right, Zink's ERA climbs to 6.52 and a 0-2 record.

[CrespoBlows]

Zink's ERA is down a run to 5.34