July 31: Red Sox @ Mariners

[moonslav59]

Good to see the Mariners selling off before our series, but they are not an easy team to beat.

We have a great chance at gaining on our competition, if we just win.

TBR plays NYY
TOR plays BAL
(HOU plays CLE)

Big game, tonight!

GO SOX!

[harmony]

Good to see the Mariners selling off before our series, but they are not an easy team to beat.

We have a great chance at gaining on our competition, if we just win.

TBR plays NYY
TOR plays BAL
(HOU plays CLE)

Big game, tonight!

GO SOX!


Today the Mariners sold off their expendables, not their core.

Should be a good series.

For the second straight year this poster will be treated to a Kutter Crawford start at T-Mobile Park in Seattle. The righthander did fine last year:

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/red-sox-vs-mariners/2022/06/12/662127/final/box

Paul Sewald, who was traded today, surrendered a two-run homer to Rafael Devers for the game's only runs.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Pivetta vs Kirby(RH)

Duran
Turner
Masa
Devers
Casas
Dugo
Wong
Reyes
Chang

[d-money]

Rays up 5-1 trying to close out the Yankees.

[d-money]

Mariners have been playing some good baseball. Tough task.

[iortiz]

Duran is really fast man. Probably the fastest in all baseball.

[d-money]

This offense has to wake up and rake.

[d-money]

This thread is dead just like the Sox offense lol.

[wyo-sox]

Sorry late to the board... another good game it looks like all tied up!

[wyo-sox]

I guess nobody wanted to be on here admitting Pivetta can pitch from a starting role.

[Oscars]

As long as my ass points to the ground, Chang will never hit a slider out of the infield

[d-money]

This offense is downright pitiful right now.

[wyo-sox]

Devers has to be a more constant threat in this lineup. Glad to see the base hit there.

[d-money]

Devers has to be a more constant threat in this lineup. Glad to see the base hit there.

They keep stranding runners. Can’t get the big hit.

[d-money]

Pivetta has done his job tonight. Nice going.

[d-money]

Pivetta makes a mistake but i can’t get on him tonight.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

A lot of good pitching has been squandered on this waste coast trip so far. I was hoping for a 3-3 trip, but 2-4 is looking good right now.

[Jasonbay44]

Can’t fault Pivetta tonight, he was exactly what the Sox needed. Great start, made two mistakes but you’ll take 7 innings of 2 run ball every game.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Moroners' announcer just said the SOX offense came into this series red hot. Dumb ass.

[illinoisredsox]

Be interesting to see who goes to 1B in the bottom of the 8th. Arroyo?

[Jasonbay44]

Verdugo has been awful this month

[moonslav59]

Moroners' announcer just said the SOX offense came into this series red hot. Dumb ass.

I guess, if you count the last 4 weeks, not 3 days.

[d-money]

Just pitiful. This team is going down on this west coast trip. Have to keep this at 1 run here.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Verdugo has been awful this month

A person would have to be crazy to argue with that. Totally awful.

[illinoisredsox]

Verdugo has been awful this month

True, but he’s come out of it somewhat the last few games. That DP ball he hit last time up was smoked and took a bad hop to boot. M’s 2B made a hell of a play.

Some signs of life after a putrid 4 weeks.

[moonslav59]

Verdugo has been awful this month

Maybe Cora needs to rest him.

He's third on the team in GS and PAs, and Turner is in front of him as a primary DH.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I guess, if you count the last 4 weeks, not 3 days.

I'm counting the last 3 days and now you can add this one. Anytime the SOX come back home with a winning record on the west coast thousands of fans should greet them at Logan.

[Jasonbay44]

Maybe Cora needs to rest him.

He's third on the team in GS and PAs, and Turner is in front of him as a primary DH.

Didn’t he just sit out 2-3 games in a row last week?

[moonslav59]

Verdugo was at .900 on May 9th (158 PAs)

He's hit .686 in his last 254 PAs, not counting tonight.

.457 in his last 90 PAs (since June 28th.(

[moonslav59]

Didn’t he just sit out 2-3 games in a row last week?

Yes, on bereavement leave, and the AS break not too long ago, too.

I wonder if the death in his family hit him hard.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Very good job tonight by Pivetta. Hard to win with 1 run on your side. And it wasn't even an earned run.

[Jasonbay44]

Yes, on bereavement leave, and the AS break not too long ago, too.

I wonder if the death in his family hit him hard.

Definitely could be a mental thing.

[d-money]

Hit by pitch.

[Jasonbay44]

Great effort by Pivetta. Hopefully dipshit Jacques doesn’t allow any runs to score and keeps the comeback possible

[****THEYANKEES]

good gawd. hit the first fucking batter.

[d-money]

Jacques really trying hard to make this difficult.

[illinoisredsox]

Yes, on bereavement leave, and the AS break not too long ago, too.

I wonder if the death in his family hit him hard.

Bereavement leave was in late June. He’s really struggled since then though, so it is a theory.

[illinoisredsox]

good gawd. hit the first fucking batter.

Just setting up the DP?

[d-money]

F U jacques.

[Jasonbay44]

Jacques continues to be garbage. Hopefully they leave him Seattle

[****THEYANKEES]

what a shitshow this clown is.

[****THEYANKEES]

no wonder the Pirates dumped this loser.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

It's ovah! Before tomorrow night's game we'll know what moves Bloom has or hasn't made. I wouldn't be surprised if he sells some players.

[Maxbialystock]

Pivetta was great. His manager, not so great.

[illinoisredsox]

Jacques and the Sox offense may well have made Bloom’s decision for him.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Jacques continues to be garbage. Hopefully they leave him Seattle

That would be littering, which is against the law.

[illinoisredsox]

Pivetta was great. His manager, not so great.

Sox offense has had a lot more to do with this. They hit a little and it’s a different bullpen game.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Let's see if Wong gets treated like a ghost runner.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Let's see if Wong gets treated like a ghost runner.

Nope, he made it to 3rd.

[illinoisredsox]

Turner did not look good tonight. Seemed late on everything.

[moonslav59]

We need to demote Jacques, now.

Bring up Walter, until the next IL guy is ready.

Llovera, too.

Maybe we trade for someone that forces a demotion.

[moonslav59]

Turner did not look good tonight. Seemed late on everything.

Trade the bum!

[Jasonbay44]

Hopefully Turner isn’t injured

[moonslav59]

Bad timing on a 3 game losing streak.

[illinoisredsox]

Have to admit, after the first inning, the M’s flashed some really good leather.

[Jasonbay44]

That was a hell of a play by JP Crawford

[illinoisredsox]

Sox with 10 LOB, Seattle had 2

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

1-3. There is a numerical run scoring pattern. 3-2-3-2. I'm guessing SOX get 3 runs tomorrow. Hopefully, it's enough.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

SOX finish July 15-8. Starting Aug.1st the SOX will play 31 games in 33 days. Ouch!

[redsoxrules]

I guess nobody wanted to be on here admitting Pivetta can pitch from a starting role.

He was always able to. The problem with him his consistency. Even the past couple of years he had hot stretches like he's currently on but then looked like dog shit the remainder of the year. I'm not sold on him until he can do this for the entire year

[****THEYANKEES]

Pivetta was great. His manager, not so great.

agree with you 100% here, Max.

[mvp 78]

He was always able to. The problem with him his consistency. Even the past couple of years he had hot stretches like he's currently on but then looked like dog shit the remainder of the year. I'm not sold on him until he can do this for the entire year

That's why he's a 5th starter AT BEST.

[Maxbialystock]

That's why he's a 5th starter AT BEST.

Right now he's 4th best behind Bello, Paxton, and Crawford. When and if Houck and/or Whitlock return, I would put him ahead of both of them. If Good Sale returns, fine, Pivetta is 5th best.

Some stats to back that up. Among Sox starters, Pivetta's WHIP is 2d best, 1.13 to Paxton's 1.09 and ahead of Sale's 1.19. Among Sox starters, his ERA of 4.08 is 4th best. Among Sox starters, his IP is/are 88.1, second to Bello's 96.

I believe his breaking balls are sharper than earlier in the season and that he uses them more--to good effect. Thus his ERA of 4.08 is the best of his career--with the caveat that it's just 88 innings (vs. 133 in 2017, 164 in 2018, 155 in 2021, and 175 last year).

[redsoxrules]

You're breaking out stats that are mixed in with relief appearance.

What's his WHIP and ERA as a starter this year?

[Bellhorn04]

That's why he's a 5th starter AT BEST.

A 5th starter AT BEST who led the team in innings last year by a mile, and is second this year.

[redsoxrules]

A 5th starter AT BEST who led the team in innings last year by a mile, and is second this year.

Leading the team in innings isn't good if your numbers are terrible

[Bellhorn04]

You're breaking out stats that are mixed in with relief appearance.

What's his WHIP and ERA as a starter this year?

That won't tell you much either, because most of his relief appearances have been long ones.

[Bellhorn04]

Leading the team in innings isn't good if your numbers are terrible

Pivetta's numbers are far from terrible.

[redsoxrules]

Pivetta's numbers are far from terrible.

He's a career 5 ERA with a 1.36WHIP.
He is far from great. He's been in the league 7 years and has a total WAR of 7.

[mvp 78]

A 5th starter AT BEST who led the team in innings last year by a mile, and is second this year.

I know. This isn't a good pitching staff!

BOS SP:
27th in IP
24th in fWAR
27th in HR/9
30th in HR/FB

[Bellhorn04]

He's a career 5 ERA with a 1.36WHIP.
He is far from great. He's been in the league 7 years and has a total WAR of 7.

4.39 ERA and 103 ERA+ (better than average) with the Red Sox. A #3 to #4 starter, on average.

[redsoxrules]

4.39 ERA and 103 ERA+ (better than average) with the Red Sox. A #3 to #4 starter, on average.

Yeah, thanks to his recent hot stretch

[redsoxrules]

Also what's his number as a starter only with the Red Sox. You mixed in his relief appearances.

[illinoisredsox]

Also what's his number as a starter only with the Red Sox. You mixed in his relief appearances.

2020 - 1.80 in 2 starts
2021 - 4.56 in 30 starts
2022 - 4.56 in 33 starts
2023 - 5.89 in 9 starts

[wyo-sox]

He was always able to. The problem with him his consistency. Even the past couple of years he had hot stretches like he's currently on but then looked like dog shit the remainder of the year. I'm not sold on him until he can do this for the entire year

How many pitchers are out there that can do it consistently all year, year after year? Seems pretty rare to me.

[Maxbialystock]

You're breaking out stats that are mixed in with relief appearance.

What's his WHIP and ERA as a starter this year?

Not going there. The WHIP and ERA are real and it doesn't matter whether or not he started, especially when we know: 1) he sort of started from the bullpen; 2) he improved dramatically after he went to the bullpen, which gave him time to work on his pitches; 3) he just started, went 7.1 innings, and gave up 3 runs for a QUALITY START.

[mvp 78]

Not going there. The WHIP and ERA are real and it doesn't matter whether or not he started, especially when we know: 1) he sort of started from the bullpen; 2) he improved dramatically after he went to the bullpen, which gave him time to work on his pitches; 3) he just started, went 7.1 innings, and gave up 3 runs for a QUALITY START.

Number of QS:
2021 - 8
2022 - 12
2023 - 1

72 starts, 21 Quality Starts.

[TylerD]

Leading the team in innings isn't good if your numbers are terrible

Except his numbers aren’t terrible. ERA under 4.00 isn’t terrible

[Bellhorn04]

Number of QS:
2021 - 8
2022 - 12
2023 - 1

72 starts, 21 Quality Starts.

Since they moved him to the pen this year:

48.1 IP
2.23 ERA
2.80 FIP
.471 OPSa

[mvp 78]

Since they moved him to the pen this year:

48.1 IP
2.23 ERA
2.80 FIP
.471 OPSa

Sounds like he should be a reliever!

[mvp 78]

Except his numbers aren’t terrible. ERA under 4.00 isn’t terrible

When was is ERA under 4?

[moonslav59]

When was is ERA under 4?

On June 7, 2021 and August 21, 2022, as well as some earlier dates in those years.

Also, it’s under 2.00 since May 25th, this year.

No need to be hung up on full season numbers.

[redsoxrules]

Yeah you do as he pitches the WHOLE year.

[moonslav59]

Yeah you do as he pitches the WHOLE year.

You choose to be confined to specific date ranges.

[Dipre]

You choose to be confined to specific date ranges.

The point is, Pivetta has been pretty inconsistent. But who knows, maybe he's turned a corner?

[moonslav59]

The point is, Pivetta has been pretty inconsistent. But who knows, maybe he's turned a corner?

True, but I think people might be surprised at how long some of his goos stretches are.

The problem is, when he is bad, he is really bad.