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Redsox20042007Celtics2008
12-12-2008, 09:52 PM
The Red Sox have offered Kenshin Kawakami a three-year, $21 million contract, according to Nikkan Sports.

Our Japanese is a little rusty, but the report clearly says 19 billion yen and the Boston Globe's Japanese reporter confirms the rest. This is about what we figured Kawakami would go for. He has a below average fastball, but his command is excellent and he mixes his pitches well. He should be at least a No. 4 starter in the U.S.
Source: NikkanSports.com
Coco's Disciples
12-12-2008, 10:23 PM
Lol at title.
CrespoBlows
12-12-2008, 10:26 PM
A good chance of giving us similar numbers to Derek Lowe for about $40 million less.
Dipre
12-12-2008, 11:08 PM
A good chance of giving us similar numbers to Derek Lowe for about $40 million less.

You lie.
CrespoBlows
12-12-2008, 11:13 PM
You lie.

Depends what you expect from Derek Lowe.

I see a 4.00 - 4.50 ERA pitcher with a move to the AL East.
Redsox20042007Celtics2008
12-12-2008, 11:15 PM
Depends what you expect from Derek Lowe.

I see a 4.00 - 4.50 ERA pitcher with a move to the AL East.

Thats exactly what A.J. Burnett was last year. 4.08 ERA I believe. I'd take that from my fourth starter any day.
Dipre
12-12-2008, 11:17 PM
I meant that D-Lowe is a known quantity, and Kawakami isn't, so you can't compare him to Lowe when he hasn't thrown a single pitch stateside.
CrespoBlows
12-12-2008, 11:25 PM
I meant that D-Lowe is a known quantity, and Kawakami isn't, so you can't compare him to Lowe when he hasn't thrown a single pitch stateside.

I wouldn't be that hasty to compare him to Derek Lowe, and I don't expect him to be better than Lowe, but I think this guy could give us good numbers from fifth spot. A 4.25 - 4.60 ERA? Sounds reasonable.
Dipre
12-12-2008, 11:27 PM
Not if you read his scouting report.

If you're bomb-prone in Japan while playing in a pitcher's park with elite defense behind you, AND have durability issues, then a 4.60 ERA at Fenway might be all too kind.
riverside sluggers
12-12-2008, 11:38 PM
Thats exactly what A.J. Burnett was last year. 4.08 ERA I believe. I'd take that from my fourth starter any day.

You just cant stay away, can you BOY?
Dojji
12-12-2008, 11:44 PM
Little nervous about Kawamaki. I'm not sure you can count on the guy to make it in the American League East.
Redsox20042007Celtics2008
12-12-2008, 11:47 PM
You just cant stay away, can you BOY?


Settle down tough guy, not looking to fight. However there are plenty of bars open tonight... I'm sure you can find a Irish guy there to kick you in your cunt... iiiiight BOY.
PATS12RULE
12-13-2008, 12:38 AM
kei igawa
Coco's Disciples
12-13-2008, 12:58 AM
Thats exactly what A.J. Burnett was last year. 4.08 ERA I believe. I'd take that from my fourth starter any day.

http://redsoxhen.mlblogs.com/red_sox_hen/images/waket.jpg
CrespoBlows
12-13-2008, 01:03 AM
http://redsoxhen.mlblogs.com/red_sox_hen/images/waket.jpg

lol
example1
12-13-2008, 02:03 AM
I think an interesting thing about these older japanese starters is that they may require a few times through the league to be figured out. If a veteran japanese pitcher can come in and throw strikes without giving up lots of walks then the Sox can likely get something servicable out of them. Even good teams can struggle with pitchers they haven't seen before, even if those pitchers aren't very good.

If this report is true it seems that they either don't think that the 5 SP options they have now are going to work, they are fearing injuries, or they are looking to move someone...

Beckett
Dice
Lester
Wake
Buchholz/Bowden/Kawakami...

if they're also interested in names like Smoltz and Lowe then I can't help but wonder what future the Sox see for Wake, Buchholz and Kawakami. Bowden might need a bit more time before being ready, but they seem to have a lot of options there.

I really like the idea of getting Smoltz too, and don't like Lowe so much, but that's a lot of pitching options.

Beckett
Dice
Lester
Wake
Buchholz
Smoltz
Kawakami...

They need catching, but would they be willing to move Buchholz to get it? I doubt it.
Coco's Disciples
12-13-2008, 02:16 AM
Texas loves Buchholz and may overvalue him in a trade (Nolan Ryan talked about him). I'd still rather not trade him though.
example1
12-13-2008, 02:25 AM
Texas loves Buchholz and may overvalue him in a trade (Nolan Ryan talked about him). I'd still rather not trade him though.

I can see why they love him, he's got very good stuff.

What would overvaluing Buchholz land the Sox? A catcher and something else? I don't know what I would want from the Rangers at this point, and Buchholz's trade value probably isn't as high as it was last year at this time.
Coco's Disciples
12-13-2008, 02:27 AM
Right, and I definitely would rather not deal Buch now, mainly because of the depreciated value.
Dipre
12-13-2008, 07:01 AM
http://redsoxhen.mlblogs.com/red_sox_hen/images/waket.jpg

Wel played!

Have a cookie.......

http://www.sallys-place.com/food/columns/zonis/Best_Cookie-20.jpg
BSN07
12-13-2008, 07:02 AM
Sounds like he's worth a flier. If he can do anything at all in the AL East. He will be good trade bait to an NL team.
BSN07
12-13-2008, 07:32 AM
9:53pm: Amalie Benjamin says the reported Red Sox offer to Kawakami is not accurate.
Dipre
12-13-2008, 09:23 AM
I had already stated that.
BSN07
12-13-2008, 09:29 AM
I had already stated that.

Sorry, I must have missed it when I was scimming threw the posts.:lol:
jacksonianmarch
12-13-2008, 10:15 AM
kei igawa

Exactly. Soft tossing control pitcher who gives up bombs.